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manic mechanic · 09-05-2006, 07:09 PM

Howdy all, found an older HP made in Belgium, by Fabrique Nationale Herstal. Has a serial# of 245PM25XXX. It has an E on the left hand trigger guard, and an I and a possible crowned mark on the right hand trigger guard. Any ideas of year of manufacture and value would be appreciated greatly. Don't know if brickboy would be the man on this or what. It seems to be in really good condition, haven't shot it yet. It does have adjustable rear sight, and it appears the front sight is a machined part of slide. Also has possible walnut grip panels and 1 12 round mag. with a JI on bottom of floor plate. Barrel is either stainless, or polished, has matching #s on bbl. and front grip area. Blueing seems to be all there with no signs of pitting anywhere. Whattya thinkin fellas?

SteveW1958 · 09-05-2006, 07:37 PM

Looks like 1980.
http://www.browning.com/services/dat...tail.asp?id=35
Around my neck of the woods they seem to go for around $450 - $550 if it's in excellent condition.

manic mechanic · 09-05-2006, 07:50 PM

Thanks Steve!

manic mechanic · 09-07-2006, 08:59 PM

Are these mags supposed to drop free, the one that is in this one binds on the way out. Also it holds 14rnds, is this the norm for capacity? As for the mag disconnect, does the trigger improve much if this is made inop?

The Knight Of Light · 09-07-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by manic mechanic

Are these mags supposed to drop free, the one that is in this one binds on the way out. Also it holds 14rnds, is this the norm for capacity? As for the mag disconnect, does the trigger improve much if this is made inop?

The mag disconnect is what keepsthe mags from dropping free. I have heard of people removing them and also polishing them and the contact points on the mags to help the mags out of the gun better. 14 rounds is the standard for some argentinian and other countries mags. The norm for regular Hi-power mags is 13. I have some Mec-Gar mags that are 13 and 15 rounds. I really recomend them if you want that extra 2 rounds.

JD McDorce · 09-08-2006, 08:10 AM

Current Browning "factory" mags have a spring on them which helps with extraction/ejection of the mag (which the Mec-Gar mags do not have). I'm not certain that the spring is worth the $20 (approx) premium for Browning mags versus Mec-Gar mags.

As for improvement of the trigger through deactivation of the mag disconnect, my Hi Power had a trigger feel that I would categorize as "bizarre" with the disco in place, which I attributed to "oil canning" of the front face of the mag under pressure of the plunger of the disconnect. This went away after I replaced the trigger with a C&S trigger (which also eliminated the disco).

manic mechanic · 09-08-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JD McDorce

Current Browning "factory" mags have a spring on them which helps with extraction/ejection of the mag (which the Mec-Gar mags do not have). I'm not certain that the spring is worth the $20 (approx) premium for Browning mags versus Mec-Gar mags.

As for improvement of the trigger through deactivation of the mag disconnect, my Hi Power had a trigger feel that I would categorize as "bizarre" with the disco in place, which I attributed to "oil canning" of the front face of the mag under pressure of the plunger of the disconnect. This went away after I replaced the trigger with a C&S trigger (which also eliminated the disco).

JD did you get that from here at this link, and if you did, which one?https://shop.cylinder-slide.com/ccp5...ste_cat&ref=20

BBunin · 09-08-2006, 09:06 AM

Removing the Magazine Disconnect will:
Improve the trigger by about 80% and allow the magazines to drop free.
It won't be a 1911 trigger yet, but it'll be lightyears better.

And you can always put it back if you imagine some reason to do so. It's not a permanent mod.

JD McDorce · 09-09-2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by manic mechanic

JD did you get that from here at this link, and if you did, which one?https://shop.cylinder-slide.com/ccp5...ste_cat&ref=20

It was the Wide Combat trigger in hard chrome, but I'm pretty sure that I bought it from Brownell's instead of directly from C&S. I had to take a little off the top end of the top of the trigger lever after installation to account for some dimensional variation from the stock trigger.

09-05-2006, 07:09 PM	#1
manic mechanic XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: michigan, down the river Posts: 1,128	Older Browning HP Info Wanted Howdy all, found an older HP made in Belgium, by Fabrique Nationale Herstal. Has a serial# of 245PM25XXX. It has an E on the left hand trigger guard, and an I and a possible crowned mark on the right hand trigger guard. Any ideas of year of manufacture and value would be appreciated greatly. Don't know if brickboy would be the man on this or what. It seems to be in really good condition, haven't shot it yet. It does have adjustable rear sight, and it appears the front sight is a machined part of slide. Also has possible walnut grip panels and 1 12 round mag. with a JI on bottom of floor plate. Barrel is either stainless, or polished, has matching #s on bbl. and front grip area. Blueing seems to be all there with no signs of pitting anywhere. Whattya thinkin fellas? __________________ The 2nd amendment makes all the others possible. If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

09-05-2006, 07:50 PM	#3
manic mechanic XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: michigan, down the river Posts: 1,128	Thanks Steve! __________________ The 2nd amendment makes all the others possible. If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

09-07-2006, 08:59 PM	#4
manic mechanic XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: michigan, down the river Posts: 1,128	Just a few more questions Are these mags supposed to drop free, the one that is in this one binds on the way out. Also it holds 14rnds, is this the norm for capacity? As for the mag disconnect, does the trigger improve much if this is made inop? __________________ The 2nd amendment makes all the others possible. If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

09-08-2006, 08:10 AM	#6
JD McDorce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Westland, MI Posts: 1,267	Current Browning "factory" mags have a spring on them which helps with extraction/ejection of the mag (which the Mec-Gar mags do not have). I'm not certain that the spring is worth the $20 (approx) premium for Browning mags versus Mec-Gar mags. As for improvement of the trigger through deactivation of the mag disconnect, my Hi Power had a trigger feel that I would categorize as "bizarre" with the disco in place, which I attributed to "oil canning" of the front face of the mag under pressure of the plunger of the disconnect. This went away after I replaced the trigger with a C&S trigger (which also eliminated the disco). __________________ XD9 Service/XD9 Tactical/XD40 Tactical/XD45ACP Service Colt Series 80 GCNM/Springfield Black Stainless/Browning Hi-Power Practical/SIG P220

09-08-2006, 09:06 AM	#8
BBunin XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,029	Removing the Magazine Disconnect will: Improve the trigger by about 80% and allow the magazines to drop free. It won't be a 1911 trigger yet, but it'll be lightyears better. And you can always put it back if you imagine some reason to do so. It's not a permanent mod. __________________ . When seconds count, the police are only five minutes away. ------------------------------------ MY PARTIAL TOY LIST XD-9 5" (Production) XD-40 5" (Limited10) SA 1911 Loaded (Limited10/SingleStack) STI Spartan (Limited10/SingleStack) Kahr PM9 (CCW) KT P3AT (CCW) Remington 11-87 (Trap) Remington 870 Express (HD/Trap) Misc Rifles for fun and hunting

09-05-2006, 07:37 PM	#2
SteveW1958 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SW PA Posts: 380	Looks like 1980. http://www.browning.com/services/dat...tail.asp?id=35 Around my neck of the woods they seem to go for around $450 - $550 if it's in excellent condition.

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