6.8mm

[thomye]

Anyone have a 6.8 and have an opinion on it?

[cadejo69]

It was developed to replace the 5.56mm for Special Forces and maybe the ARMY in general, it did perform well, the issue was stopping power of 5.56 witch was been reported as not having enough of it, the investigation of insidents reported that the problem was shot placement and not the round that was at foult, so they canned the switch and now the developers of the round are trying to make up their money in the civilian market.

[bigun]

If you want to deer hunt with a AR 15 it or the 6.5 Grendell are two good options. The 6.8 is a .270 so you can use lighter bullets from the .270 win for reloading.

[maverick9614]

I have been seeing that and the 6.5 grendell (whichsounds awesome, whether or not it is actually effective). I was under the impression they were still looking at the 6.8 because it was much more effective out of an M4 platform at 100 yards than 5.56. I thought the marines ( expert rifleman that they are) were still looking at it.

[JakeUSA]

From what I've read, the 6.5 Grendel out-performs the 6.8 SPC in every single way. The 5.56x45 can be a lethal round with correct shot placement, it's true. However, the original concept behind it was to maim, not kill the enemy, thinking that a wounded soldier takes himself and two of his buddies out of the fight, whereas a dead one only removes one. I think we should just bite the bullet and go back to the 7.62. Teaching people how to shoot again wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

[BBunin]

a 6.8 Lower?
Why?
I thought that the whole point was that you could put a 6.8 UPPER on any AR lower?

[The Knight Of Light]

No the Grendel does not out perform the 6.8 in every way. It cannot be loaded onto belts and function with the current feed system on a M249. The 6.8 can and is being tested for that purpose. the 6.5 has lower magazine capacity, and a little more recoil. It is a more energetic cartridge and causes receiver failure faster in the current military rifles.

[cadejo69]

Originally Posted by JakeUSA

The 5.56x45 can be a lethal round with correct shot placement, it's true. However, the original concept behind it was to maim, not kill the enemy, thinking that a wounded soldier takes himself and two of his buddies out of the fight, whereas a dead one only removes one.

In the case of an SF assaulter, the intent is to devastate your oponent in the most expedient way, Two to the chest and one to the head is not meant to injured.

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by cadejo69

In the case of an SF assaulter, the intent is to devastate your oponent in the most expedient way, Two to the chest and one to the head is not meant to injured.

That explains the KILL KILL KILL the marines scream.

[nightraider]

Originally Posted by JakeUSA

From what I've read, the 6.5 Grendel out-performs the 6.8 SPC in every single way. The 5.56x45 can be a lethal round with correct shot placement, it's true. However, the original concept behind it was to maim, not kill the enemy, thinking that a wounded soldier takes himself and two of his buddies out of the fight, whereas a dead one only removes one. I think we should just bite the bullet and go back to the 7.62. Teaching people how to shoot again wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

Except in the most important way in the military's mind, which is ammo capacity.

I think the 6.8SPC is a near perfect round for the job and is a great combat round. The 6.5 Grendel from all I've read is a great hunting round.

You say the 5.56 can be a lethal round? It is a very lethal round. I wouldn't buy into the media's hype about the M-16 not being strong enough. Remember, the media has in every way tried to depict a war where everything has gone wrong, and of course when they heard of a few soldiers accounts that were negative on the M-16, they jumped all over it like a pack of wild wolves.

There are plenty of experts and veterans who feel that the M-4 or M-16 is a completely capable rifle. There are 2 other forums that I visit that are filled mostly with police and military unlike me. It is all of their consensus that the M-4 is a perfectly lethal weapon in the right hands.

That being said, I would still rather to have a 6.8SPC than anything, but will not buy one until ammo is widespread (which it won't until the military adopts it).