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**Majk** · 08-04-2006, 09:18 AM

Ok, my FFL guy got some info from the Nebraska State Patrol over the past couple of days.

For one they are going to require the public to qualify with 150 rounds, plus you cannot use a 5 shot revolver, minimum of 6 shot only.

Also they are going to have a sort of speed requirement.

I only know the basics but it sounds like you have to shoot a target six times or so and then re-load, holster your weapon and then draw and shoot another target. They have set a 14 second time limit. (why)????????

They also will require you for the shooting part to shoot at a target that has a silhouette of a armed person with a innocent bystander in front of them. You know the kine where the bad guy is using the victim as a shield. We will be required to shoot only the bad guy.

Anybody heard of these kind of restrictions or qualifications?

I guess there are a few more but I can only remember the stupid ones. I guess allot of the requirements are the kind of shooting that police recruits and swat would go through with a little IDPA thrown in.

As conceal carry is new here and to me, I've never really run across this type of requirements for other states. The state patrol here was openly against the conceal carry law. So it sounds like they are making it so difficult that most won't want to get it.

So I guess a bunch of FFL guys have gotten together to protest some of the requirements that they have set up.

I mean aren't there a whole bunch of 5 shot ultra light revolvers out there for cc purposes?

Just wanted to see what you guys and gals thought.

Tonya

Exmasonite · 08-04-2006, 10:00 AM

if anything, nebraska itself isn't going to check up on these standards. if they're anything like michigan, the county gun boards are going to want a certificate from the NRA CCW course you took. in my area, they accepted most of the local courses, etc. if you went somewhere they weren't familiar with, they might call/check up on the instructor and what the course consisted of.
That being said, there are HUGE differences in these certification tests/courses. i had some very good instructors and when i took the course, they let me use several different guns and the guy spent about an hour with me. (basically, you took the class work and set up a time with one of the instructors for your range time)
I've talked to people who've been lined up 8 deep on an outdoor range with little help or instruction and they still passed.

So, nebraska is making some requirements... i'm sure they'll go pretty much in line with the NRA CCW course (or the NRA course will change to meet the nebraska requirements).

some of the silhouette stuff is kinda weird... we just had to be able to put every shot in an 8.5x11" piece of paper at 7 yards.

good luck

**QCATrader** · 08-04-2006, 10:29 AM

As I recall, this is slightly different than Iowa, but after the classroom time, we too had to make an appointment to go to the range with an officer and qualify under distance and time constraints. However, it was nothing unreasonable - after all, if you're going to carry a weapon, you should certainly know how to use it safely and be able to hit a reasonable target with every shot. If you can't, I certainly don't want you carrying a weapon around me!

It's been so long that I can't remember every detail, but I do recall you could qualify with any weapon of your choice, but your permit was not limited to that weapon.

Remember, CCW is serious business - thus the various classes and shooting requirements.

**Majk** · 08-04-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by QCATrader

Remember, CCW is serious business - thus the various classes and shooting requirements.

Really, that part escaped me when I thought about getting mine.

What real life situation will you draw your weapon, empty it, reload it, holster it, then draw it again and empty it while moving the whole time.

Plus why would you have to shoot at a silhouette? I'm really thinking that a hostage situation isn't for a citizen with conceal carry. It's for the police.

I realize that carrying a concealed weapon is a serious matter, I'm not a toddler that your talking too. But when they start adding in exotic qualification procedures just to dissuade people from getting their permit it's ridiculous.

The requirement about nothing less than six shots? You can't use a gun to qualify that has less than six and you can't carry a gun with less than six. Plus there are a ton of more different stupid requirements. That was just a few.

I mean if a large selection of FFL guys that were going to be instructors for this, balked at the requirements don't you think then that some of these requirements might just be a little too far fetched.

Whens the last time you heard of a cop being required to shoot 150 actual shots to qualify. I'm not talking practice but actual qualifying. And I don't believe they have to shoot at silhouette's to qualify but I may be mistaken.

I guess maybe I'm way off base with some of my feelings about this. I realize it's a huge, huge responsibility. But when you start putting contest type requirements it's ridiculous. At least several FFL guys here in Omaha really agree and are trying to get the rules changed. From what I understand the state patrol isn't necessarily copying surrounding states, they are just picking pieces of other states out and adding their own twists to it.

I don't know why they couldn't just copy another state they liked added a couple things of their own and just go with it.

I guess the way the process is going, they don't think things will be ready for the January 1st take effect of the law. People won't be taking the class until early winter. way to drag their feet.

**QCATrader** · 08-04-2006, 12:25 PM

First of all, I didn't mean to offend you.

Secondly, I didn't agree with all of Nebraska's requirements.

You'd be amazed at how many 'Jerks' apply for CCW just because they think they are qualified and it would be 'cool'. We don't want these types of carry, so restrictions and qualifications must be applied.

In Iowa I think the classroom time is a few nights and the range requirements are 30 shots or so. Very reasonable and no one complains about it. Iowa does require a 'Statement of Need' when you apply and the county Sheriff where you are applying must approve your application.

Nebraska will modify the requirements as they go forward, and unless I'm mistaken, you did say this was preliminary information.

Anyway, good luck with your CCW...

Olgord · 08-04-2006, 05:55 PM

The shooting portion of CCW qualifying in Iowa also requires six round revolvers. At least the trainers I had required it. I believe it is because of the total number of rounds you have to shoot. 48 shots, timed fire at 5, 9, 15 and 25 yards. Two strings of six at each distance as I recall. A five shot revolver would make that difficult. You are not required to carry the same weapon you qualify with however. There were no hostage targets, no tactical rolls or mall ninja type of stuff involved.

OlGord

**Majk** · 08-04-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Olgord

The shooting portion of CCW qualifying in Iowa also requires six round revolvers. At least the trainers I had required it. I believe it is because of the total number of rounds you have to shoot. 48 shots, timed fire at 5, 9, 15 and 25 yards. Two strings of six at each distance as I recall. A five shot revolver would make that difficult. You are not required to carry the same weapon you qualify with however. There were no hostage targets, no tactical rolls or mall ninja type of stuff involved.

OlGord

That's weird the pastor of camping retreat had his conceal carry out of Iowa and he has the same revolver, a Taurus 85 - 5 shot .38 and he qualified with that.

Trader, I'm sorry I might have jumped the gun as well. I guess these are some of the rules or requirements that are part of the qualifying. But so many people have asked what they requirements will be that the state patrol finally said here are the requirements that will be in the process.

The FFL guys wanted it so they can start getting things lined up to offer the classes. When allot of them saw some of the outlandish ones they wrote back and said these certain things are wrong. If you have ever been to Ne. they do some really backward *ss things in this state.

It wouldn't surprise me if they made you carry a 15 shot revolver

for conceal carry.

The whole process is frustrating. I mean the law is to take effect January 1st. They don't even have all the requirements set yet. And now they are talking about it not being ready for classes and licensing until December. And since so many will be flooding them at the last minute I can see people not getting the license until February if not later.

Frustration played a part in my reaction and for that I apologize.

You know now that you say that I bet there will be some real fruity people wanting there license. Namely probably some politicians.

Olgord · 08-04-2006, 07:12 PM

Here's a link to the outfit I did my training with.

http://www.trainingspecialistsdsm.com/

OlGord

Terry1810 · 08-04-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by QCATrader

It's been so long that I can't remember every detail, but I do recall you could qualify with any weapon of your choice, but your permit was not limited to that weapon.

My county sheriff says you may use a .22 to qualify but that would be the largest caliber you'd be able to carry. If you qualify with a .45, you can carry that and all calibers below. Then he adds the actual make, model, and caliber of the weapon on the restrictions line of your permit. So far no one has asked him if that is the only gun they are allowed to carry. I guess they're just pleased they were "allowed" to participate in one of his semi-annual qualifications. My application has been in since March, with not one word from his office. Come over the the site below my name and help our group standardize the 99 counties in this state on the permit to carry.

Thank goodness I was able to at least get a non-res Utah CCW.

- Terry (Des Moines County)

**QCATrader** · 08-04-2006, 08:38 PM

I understand a Sheriff in Southern Iowa granted a permit to a pawn shop owner, but the permit was only good from 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM and then from 4:00 PM to 7:00 PM. The reason - those were the hours he would carry money to his store, and from his store to the bank.

You're right, all 99 counties really need to get together - remember, not all 99 counties will even issue permits - it's entirely up to the Sheriff!

08-04-2006, 09:18 AM	#1
Majk XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,637	Nebraska Conceal Carry, some info available! Ok, my FFL guy got some info from the Nebraska State Patrol over the past couple of days. For one they are going to require the public to qualify with 150 rounds, plus you cannot use a 5 shot revolver, minimum of 6 shot only. Also they are going to have a sort of speed requirement. I only know the basics but it sounds like you have to shoot a target six times or so and then re-load, holster your weapon and then draw and shoot another target. They have set a 14 second time limit. (why)???????? They also will require you for the shooting part to shoot at a target that has a silhouette of a armed person with a innocent bystander in front of them. You know the kine where the bad guy is using the victim as a shield. We will be required to shoot only the bad guy. Anybody heard of these kind of restrictions or qualifications? I guess there are a few more but I can only remember the stupid ones. I guess allot of the requirements are the kind of shooting that police recruits and swat would go through with a little IDPA thrown in. As conceal carry is new here and to me, I've never really run across this type of requirements for other states. The state patrol here was openly against the conceal carry law. So it sounds like they are making it so difficult that most won't want to get it. So I guess a bunch of FFL guys have gotten together to protest some of the requirements that they have set up. I mean aren't there a whole bunch of 5 shot ultra light revolvers out there for cc purposes? Just wanted to see what you guys and gals thought. Tonya __________________ --------------------------------------------------------- majkthreads Psalm 28:7 "The Lord is my strength and shield; my heart trusts in Him, and I am helped."

08-04-2006, 05:55 PM	#6
Olgord XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 187	The shooting portion of CCW qualifying in Iowa also requires six round revolvers. At least the trainers I had required it. I believe it is because of the total number of rounds you have to shoot. 48 shots, timed fire at 5, 9, 15 and 25 yards. Two strings of six at each distance as I recall. A five shot revolver would make that difficult. You are not required to carry the same weapon you qualify with however. There were no hostage targets, no tactical rolls or mall ninja type of stuff involved. OlGord __________________ It makes my head hurt to try and think of something profound to put here

08-04-2006, 07:12 PM	#8
Olgord XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 187	Here's a link to the outfit I did my training with. http://www.trainingspecialistsdsm.com/ OlGord __________________ It makes my head hurt to try and think of something profound to put here

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08-04-2006, 10:00 AM	#2
Exmasonite XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 811	if anything, nebraska itself isn't going to check up on these standards. if they're anything like michigan, the county gun boards are going to want a certificate from the NRA CCW course you took. in my area, they accepted most of the local courses, etc. if you went somewhere they weren't familiar with, they might call/check up on the instructor and what the course consisted of. That being said, there are HUGE differences in these certification tests/courses. i had some very good instructors and when i took the course, they let me use several different guns and the guy spent about an hour with me. (basically, you took the class work and set up a time with one of the instructors for your range time) I've talked to people who've been lined up 8 deep on an outdoor range with little help or instruction and they still passed. So, nebraska is making some requirements... i'm sure they'll go pretty much in line with the NRA CCW course (or the NRA course will change to meet the nebraska requirements). some of the silhouette stuff is kinda weird... we just had to be able to put every shot in an 8.5x11" piece of paper at 7 yards. good luck

08-04-2006, 10:29 AM	#3
QCATrader XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Iowa / Arizona Posts: 291	As I recall, this is slightly different than Iowa, but after the classroom time, we too had to make an appointment to go to the range with an officer and qualify under distance and time constraints. However, it was nothing unreasonable - after all, if you're going to carry a weapon, you should certainly know how to use it safely and be able to hit a reasonable target with every shot. If you can't, I certainly don't want you carrying a weapon around me! It's been so long that I can't remember every detail, but I do recall you could qualify with any weapon of your choice, but your permit was not limited to that weapon. Remember, CCW is serious business - thus the various classes and shooting requirements.

08-04-2006, 12:25 PM	#5
QCATrader XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Iowa / Arizona Posts: 291	First of all, I didn't mean to offend you. Secondly, I didn't agree with all of Nebraska's requirements. You'd be amazed at how many 'Jerks' apply for CCW just because they think they are qualified and it would be 'cool'. We don't want these types of carry, so restrictions and qualifications must be applied. In Iowa I think the classroom time is a few nights and the range requirements are 30 shots or so. Very reasonable and no one complains about it. Iowa does require a 'Statement of Need' when you apply and the county Sheriff where you are applying must approve your application. Nebraska will modify the requirements as they go forward, and unless I'm mistaken, you did say this was preliminary information. Anyway, good luck with your CCW...

08-04-2006, 08:38 PM	#10
QCATrader XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Iowa / Arizona Posts: 291	I understand a Sheriff in Southern Iowa granted a permit to a pawn shop owner, but the permit was only good from 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM and then from 4:00 PM to 7:00 PM. The reason - those were the hours he would carry money to his store, and from his store to the bank. You're right, all 99 counties really need to get together - remember, not all 99 counties will even issue permits - it's entirely up to the Sheriff!