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Old 11-04-2009, 09:34 PM   #21
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If It was the only thing I had yes but I'm more of an HD shotgun myself. Unfortunately though at this moment all I have is my 1911 but perfectly fine until I get a 12ga
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:48 PM   #22
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sighting a ar pistol is not that easy.
I've tried my buddies and scre that for any type of defensive situation. I'll stick with a standard handgun. For HD I prefer something without a manual safety.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:51 PM   #23
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sighting a ar pistol is not that easy.
I've tried my buddies and scre that for any type of defensive situation. I'll stick with a standard handgun. For HD I prefer something without a manual safety.
What's the problem with it? Just like a rifle unless you're running an AR without the buffer tube...you shoulder the buffer tube just like a stock.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:58 PM   #24
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How viable would this gun really be in a self-defense or home-defense situation.

The guns I'm referring to also include the Kel-Tec PLR-16 or any other AR-variant in a pistol configuration.
never shot one, but I'd imagine that either a true handgun, or a true AR, would be a better choice.

I'm not a fan of hybrid/mutant weapons...


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One thing to consider: firing a weapon like that indoors with no ear pro could cause a lot more hearing damage than a pistol because of the higher over pressure of a .223 round. Maybe if a suppressor was equipped it would be okay, without one, I don't know if I'd recommend it. I think any AR pistol would be a fun toy to have at the range and whatnot but IMHO, there are better HD options out there.
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One thing to consider: firing a weapon like that indoors with no ear pro could cause a lot more hearing damage than a pistol because of the higher over pressure of a .223 round. Maybe if a suppressor was equipped it would be okay, without one, I don't know if I'd recommend it. I think any AR pistol would be a fun toy to have at the range and whatnot but IMHO, there are better HD options out there.
Remember that our boys overseas are running 5.56, .308 and .50 BMG on a regular basis and in mass quantities, and they still have some hearing left.

You're going to lose hearing after shooting a gun without pro no matter what. Might be a little bit more with an AR...but if you're better with the gun and it's a more viable solution, does the hearing factor really matter at the end of the day?

And remember folks, unless you're running a pistol AR with a very short or NO buffer tube it will shoulder JUST like a normal AR. It will operate much like an SBR at that point.
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Remember that our boys overseas are running 5.56, .308 and .50 BMG on a regular basis and in mass quantities, and they still have some hearing left.

You're going to lose hearing after shooting a gun without pro no matter what. Might be a little bit more with an AR...but if you're better with the gun and it's a more viable solution, does the hearing factor really matter at the end of the day?

And remember folks, unless you're running a pistol AR with a very short or NO buffer tube it will shoulder JUST like a normal AR. It will operate much like an SBR at that point.
I wasn't suggesting it couldn't be done, and I'm well aware that it's being done by my friends in the military, but remember that they have no other choices beyond their issued weapons. I was saying that given the choice I wouldn't use it. Also, the ''ringing in the ears'' will occur with any gun, but it will be less severe and fade quicker with a handgun, and this could be important in a SD situation because you don't want to not be able to hear in case there are multiple badguys around, the police are yelling commands at you or your partner is trying to talk to you. Audio exclusion in a fight could be bad, and I realize it's inevitable with any weapon, but I think it would be more severe with a AR pistol. Again just MHO.
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having a 10.3" SBR i REALLY hope i dont have to shoot it inside at some point

i would if i needed to but its very loud outside! i cant imagine it inside without earplugs
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No, but a 203 grain 7.62x54r soft point (what I use for HD sadly enough) does.... Maybe I do need a smaller caliber rifle.... Alright! Excuse to buy an AR!!!!
nah, you just need the bayonet attached.
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I wasn't suggesting it couldn't be done, and I'm well aware that it's being done by my friends in the military, but remember that they have no other choices beyond their issued weapons. I was saying that given the choice I wouldn't use it. Also, the ''ringing in the ears'' will occur with any gun, but it will be less severe and fade quicker with a handgun, and this could be important in a SD situation because you don't want to not be able to hear in case there are multiple badguys around, the police are yelling commands at you or your partner is trying to talk to you. Audio exclusion in a fight could be bad, and I realize it's inevitable with any weapon, but I think it would be more severe with a AR pistol. Again just MHO.
I'd put an AR pistol/SBR, a magnum-caliber revolver, and a shotgun in the same category, as far as unpleasant report goes...and guess what two of the most popular recommendations for a HD weapon are?

And, while I also keep a pair of electronic muffs next to the HD pistol...I look at possible hearing loss from a SD scenario this way:

It'll only matter if you survive the fight.

If you survive the fight, hearing loss will be worth it, compared to the alternative.

Personally, I think the whole noise factor is a more than just a little mall ninja/gunshop commando bovine excrement.
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