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.22LR for Self Defense

This is a discussion on .22LR for Self Defense within the Non-XD Handguns forums, part of the Other Handgun Talk category; I often carry my P22 around my yard instead of my XD simply because of weight. Veni, vidi, edi...


View Poll Results: What is your primary carry caliber?
.22LR 1 0.78%
.22 MAG 0 0%
.25 ACP 0 0%
.380 ACP 8 6.20%
9 MM 57 44.19%
.38 SPC 5 3.88%
.357 SIG/MAG 3 2.33%
.40 SW 29 22.48%
.44 MAG 0 0%
.45 ACP/GAP 48 37.21%
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #11
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I often carry my P22 around my yard instead of my XD simply because of weight.

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Old 09-03-2012, 05:41 PM   #12
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.40 SW in my XD Subcompact is preferred, with .380 ACP in my LCP as secondary.

The .357 Mag and .357 Sig should have their own categories, as should .45 ACP and .45 GAP, IMHO...
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I would consider carrying a 22LR handgun if they could figure out how to make a flush magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. Ammo choice is also a factor. I'd fill it with CCI Stingers or Mini-Mags.

Here's an article someone posted here, I think:

Tactical Life Israeli Mossad .22 LRS
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Keep in mind, practice can most certainly compensate for the calliber. I have been a IPSC member for almost 5 years(yeah I am not your typical recreational shooter). Like I said this is not a caliber war, nor do I intend on turning it into a my dic*, is bigger than your dic*. As with most situations involving self defense, what makes the shooter anymore likely to hit with a .45 over a .22? Stress is stress, and yes .45 in most SD situations is more effective(given shot placement), as goes with most calibers. Shooting someone with either caliber may not yeild the same results for any single person. You can shoot two people with the same caliber in the same region, and the results can/will be different. As with all firearms regardless of size should always be treated with the potentional to inflict death. Furthermore I am not defending the .22lr, or it's effectivness a shot from a .45, or a .22 to the torso, or leg for example may not be fatal, and the perp may continue on with his attempt to harm you regardless. As with a SD situation, any number of variable's can influence the overall outcome.
More flaws in your logic:

More practice with a heavier caliber will yield the same results as practice with a .22; that is, more hits. You seem to not want to acknowledge that simple fact.

And you seem to be failing to comprehend that when I say "what would make me miss with a .45 when I would hit with a .22", I am not saying they reverse is true--both would be a hit or a miss. So, given the choice between putting a .22LR on target or a .45--when your life is on the line, which would you prefer?

And the fact is, we do get our preferences; we make that choice every day when we put the handgun on our belt.
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I would consider carrying a 22LR handgun if they could figure out how to make a flush magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. Ammo choice is also a factor. I'd fill it with CCI Stingers or Mini-Mags.

Here's an article someone posted here, I think:

Tactical Life Israeli Mossad .22 LRS
Yeah, that gets posted every now and again. And people just don't seem to catch on to one simple caveat that makes that entire article irrelevant:

That is, we are not Mossad, or Delta, or GSG-9, or SEALs, or SAS...we do not have their practice or training.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:10 PM   #16
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Yeah, that gets posted every now and again. And people just don't seem to catch on to one simple caveat that makes that entire article irrelevant:

That is, we are not Mossad, or Delta, or GSG-9, or SEALs, or SAS...we do not have their practice or training.
Speak for yourself, I grew up watching Chuck Norris, Sly and Schwarzenegger movies. I am a shooting machine.LOL
I carry 9mm or 45acp and wouldnt carry a 22lr unless I had no choice.
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More flaws in your logic:

More practice with a heavier caliber will yield the same results as practice with a .22; that is, more hits. You seem to not want to acknowledge that simple fact.

And you seem to be failing to comprehend that when I say "what would make me miss with a .45 when I would hit with a .22", I am not saying they reverse is true--both would be a hit or a miss. So, given the choice between putting a .22LR on target or a .45--when your life is on the line, which would you prefer?

And the fact is, we do get our preferences; we make that choice every day when we put the handgun on our belt.

To answer your question, I own several handguns ranging from .22lr all the way up to .357 Mag, and have carried all of them independently as individual carry weapons. It is in my view that all can/may kill another human being, so wether it be a .22lr or a .357 mag both can be used as an effective defense against someone attempting to kill/hurt me. I prefer any weapon that goes boom, when I pull the trigger, and even with my .22 I never feel underpowered because I have respect for the potetional killing power it has, even with a hand cannon there is never a certainty, or a immunity to death caused by another person. Although I do find it a tad easier with follow up(quite accurate) shots with a .22, as well as the feeling of power with my taurus .357 revolver. I fully understand no single round may not be enough to stop a perp, not even the mighty .45 ACP. Wether it be 6 rounds of .22 or 2 rounds of .45 ACP or as many rounds as it take to the stop the perp, tactics(avoiding potentionally dangerous situations), and brain power(situational awareness) are important, the weapon is just a tool.
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I would consider carrying a 22LR handgun if they could figure out how to make a flush magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. Ammo choice is also a factor. I'd fill it with CCI Stingers or Mini-Mags.

Here's an article someone posted here, I think:

Tactical Life Israeli Mossad .22 LRS
What about this Keltec? Its not LR but its close and holds 30 rounds.

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22 Winmag is pretty close in performance to the 5.7x28 that is used in the FN five seven and the P90 and plenty of people are willing to spend 2 grand to buy one of those guns for self defense.

However I'll stick with my 9mm. The only gun i know off that fires 22 Winmag is that Kel-Tec and I'm not sure about reliability.

So many companies offer designer ammo for 9mm which makes it the best option for capacity, stopping power, reliability, ease in which to find and purchase ammo. I'm no SHTF guy but it's nice to be able to easily purchase ammo for my gun at Walmart or some where close to me instead of going to a firearms specialty store.
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9mm. I shot a c00n while hunting one time with a Remington 552 Speedmaster (semi-auto). I was using Velocitors and it took all 16 shots plus one shot from my dads .22 to bring it down. Good sized ****, too. Relatively close range, I suspect less that 100 feet.

Same rifle and load was used to drop .22 on a big, fat groundhog at a little over 200 yards. It took 7 shots total to end him, the last one entering the ear canal. For me, I cannot recommend anything less than a .380 for serious self defense with the proper round.

.22 is for small game and plinking, not two legged snakes.
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