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SIG 238 not repaired by manufacturer, what next?

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Old 10-08-2010, 05:21 PM   #1
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SIG 238 not repaired by manufacturer, what next?

I have sent my SIG P238 back to SIG for repairs twice now and it still is not working properly, however, after the last trip they say that it was tested and functioned flawlessly.

After buying the gun, I took it home and cleaned it prior to taking it to the range. When I took it to the range, I ran about 120 rounds of Federal FMJ through it and out of that, had about 15 or so failure to ejects. In some cases, this is in form of a stove pipe, parallel feed jam where the spent shell isn't ejected, or a problem where the spent brass is caught up in the chamber. These jams seem to have no pattern whatsoever as to when they occur. I contacted customer service and sent it in for repairs. After about 2.5 weeks I received it back from SIG with a note saying that they upgraded the extractor and test fired the gun with no failures.

Next trip to the range, again with Federal FMJ... ran about 100 more rounds through it and had about 8 of the same types of jams. Now getting frustrated, I took it home, cleaned it and decided to give it another try. I headed back out to the range again a little later that week and again experienced the same problems. I called SIG once again and sent it back once again.

This time, they send the gun back to me saying they tested it and they were not able to replicate the problem. Absolutely livid at this point, I go to the range with my fiance and a video camera and had her video me shooting with close ups of the jams… AFTER it came back from SIG with no problems. Out of about 80-100 more rounds, 4 or 5 jams on video.

I have been shooting handguns for about 4-5 years or so and am familiar with proper techniques, grip, stance etc. This is NOT a limp wristing issue. I love the gun but I can't trust it to work and at this point I am downright mad that I made the decision to buy this gun over an LCP, which was the runner up. If I could do it over I would go with an LCP.

Does anybody here have any recommendations for what to do next? I have thought about burning the video of the range trip to a CD and sending it back to SIG with the gun as proof. Nevertheless, they can still pull the same crap saying that they “tested” it and it works fine, regardless of what I’m experiencing. Is it unrealistic to believe there is a possibility of getting it exchanged with SIG?
Thanks in advance for any feedback!


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Old 10-08-2010, 05:56 PM   #2
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Have you tried different ammo.
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:02 PM   #3
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Even though you say it's not a limp wristing issue I will still ask have you had other experienced shooter shoot the gun and see if they can replicate you problem. I sure does sound like limp wrisitng to me.
I saw this lady shooter at a competition with a brand new colt gold cup, every other mag she'd get a stove pipe or other fte, two cop friends of hers would take the gun and shoot 2 mags no issues she'd take the gun and first few of rounds and fte. They kept telling here there was nothing wrong with the gun but she just couldn't shoot it without a fte.
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Mine produces brass that's deformed like that too -- maybe 4 or 5 out of 100. I've only had it jam open once like you showed, though, with the empty case parallel to the chamber.
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I would try different ammo and if that don't work then sell it and buy an LCP. Never had a jam even when my wife shot it.
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Another example of how SIG has gradually turned into a tier-2 gun company. They're more concerned with beaver tails and cute little "Blackwater" engravings than they are with quality control.
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Old 10-08-2010, 07:13 PM   #7
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I would give Sig one for shot at fixing it. Too expensive of a gun to do this.
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Never had any problems with other semi-autos Beretta, Glock, LCP's, XD's... I think 4 years with no other problems should suffice as having enough experience to not limp wrist.

Regarding different ammo - here in Houston, .380 is still very hard to find. Buying most of it online but at the price most of it is at, and being on a budget, I haven't experimented with too many other types. I have put about 50 rounds of Prvi Partizan through it and out of those I think I had one malfunction.

I am not the only one having this problem. It's one of the more common problems with the gun for people who do have problems (there are a lot who don't). That being said, it's aggravating as hell that I'm hearing more and more people saying exactly what F-Trooper said, and that SIG isn't doing more to fix this. That's why I'm asking if anybody has ever had an experience with a gun not working right and having the manufacturer fix it.

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... sell it and buy an LCP. Never had a jam even when my wife shot it.
... might be the route I wind up taking. Never had a single problem any of the times I've shot the LCP. After my 238's last trip back to SIG, and nobody here or at SIG Forums suggesting that I rely on SIG to fix it, I am quickly losing confidence in their ability to fix this situation.
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Mine produces brass that's deformed like that too -- maybe 4 or 5 out of 100. I've only had it jam open once like you showed, though, with the empty case parallel to the chamber.
I had one, no longer. Neat little guns but they have issues. I had one that was "biting" the brass on ejection therefore deforming the brass...as a reloader that is BAD.

I replaced the recoil spring with a Wolfe spring for the "original" style of that gun and it was a heavier spring, this seemed to help but it would still do it from time to time.

Therefore....traded it for a less than 100 round through it XD9SC!
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That is exactly what mine was doing to the brass. What I found was that the recoil spring was WEAK and they seem to get that way after about 300 rounds.

I replaced mine with a Wolfe spring and it helped, but did not completely cure the problem.

I no longer have it, it magically turned into a dang near new XD9SC!
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