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XDm vs. M&P .40

This is a discussion on XDm vs. M&P .40 within the Non-XD Handguns forums, part of the Other Handgun Talk category; I own both the SA XDm, and a S&W M&P in .40 and have carried both as duty weapons. Both are great guns and it ...


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Old 11-01-2009, 09:15 AM   #1
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XDm vs. M&P .40

I own both the SA XDm, and a S&W M&P in .40 and have carried both as duty weapons. Both are great guns and it comes down to personal preference. However, I'd like to talk about the negatives of each pistol.

XDm .40
1. A full magazine makes it impossible to use the magazine release button. Because of the increased pressure against the frame, you can't eject a magazine that is fully loaded UNLESS you lock the slide to the rear.

2. The more bells and whistles a pistol has, the more complex it can be to use. I personally do not like grip safeties, loaded chamber indicators, or anything else that is not related to combat pistol shooting.

I want a pistol that is hot and ready to go right out of the holster. People say they like the LCI because they can feel if the pistol is loaded. I'm a cop, so mine is ALWAYS loaded.

3. The trigger leaves something to be desired. It has the feel of a "long pull" and causes alot of people to jerk or anticipate the shot, thus throwing their aim off to the left (or right if left handed).

4. It's not an easily concealed pistol because of the size, but for duty use it is fine. It does typically weigh ~8oz. more than other .40s of the same class.



M&P .40
1. The first time mine got wet from being out in the rain on duty, the slide near the rear sight started to rust. A quick coat of oil solved this problem and removed the rust.

2. I missed out on the 2 free magazines offer because I bought mine the month they were introduced into production, before the offer was available. S&W would not send me 2 free mags even after a letter praising the pistol for LE use.

3. I have medium sized hands, and with any of the 3 backstraps, my left thumb does not fit comfortably against the frame as it always hits the slide lock and feels awkward. The pistol could be 1/2" longer and would be fine.


Summary:
Between the 2 for duty use, I have to go with the M&P. It feels better in the hand and the point of aim is more true. The felt recoil in the .40 is noticeably less in the M&P and for the time being it has more accessories available in terms of sights, holsters, etc.
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:27 AM   #2
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1. A full magazine makes it impossible to use the magazine release button. Because of the increased pressure against the frame, you can't eject a magazine that is fully loaded UNLESS you lock the slide to the rear.
I found the easiest way to release a full mag is to put a little pressure on the butt end of the mag with my hand (doesn't take much), push the mag release button and the mag falls out with ease. Or your thumb needs to hit the weight-room....
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Good subjective comparison.
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I found the easiest way to release a full mag is to put a little pressure on the butt end of the mag with my hand (doesn't take much), push the mag release button and the mag falls out with ease. Or your thumb needs to hit the weight-room....

You should NEVER have to do that, especially if you are a cop and/or military. In a gun fight, your fine motor skills tend to go bye-bye. We like to use the K.I.S.S. acronym:

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SA needs to take a look at that and fix it if they want their XDm to be accepted by police.
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You should NEVER have to do that, especially if you are a cop and/or military. In a gun fight, your fine motor skills tend to go bye-bye. We like to use the K.I.S.S. acronym:

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SA needs to take a look at that and fix it if they want their XDm to be accepted by police.
Why would you drop a fully-loaded mag in a fire-fight?
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Why would you drop a fully-loaded mag in a fire-fight?
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Why would you drop a fully-loaded mag in a fire-fight?
What if your first shot is a misfeed, stove pipe, or double feed and the only way to correct it is to drop the mag, clear the chamber, and get back into the fight?

Now you have to add another element of trying to get the slide locked back in order to drop the mag, in an already tense situation. The more stress you add to clearing the gun while under fire is a recipe for a dead cop (or civilian).

Edit: let me elaborate...

You fire your first shot and it double feeds. To clear it, you need to (1) drop the magazine, (2) lock the slide back, (3) rotate and work the action. The problem is getting people to go from what they are trained to do (and have been for years, ie muscle memory) to locking the slide back FIRST and then going to the mag release, etc. when every other pistol (GLOCK, M&P, Sig, Walther, H&K, etc) follows steps 1-2-3 above. That 1 little step can and will cause people to "stress out" under fire and can result in injury/death because of an issue that should not be there in a combat pistol.

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Leo here,

In a gun fight I'll take the XDM all though we just switched to the M&P 40 as well. I know the XD is very reliable I have had to many fte and ftf with the m&p. In a "fire fight" you shouldn't be dropping the mag untill slide lock. Hey man enjoy the M&P stay save.
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What if your first shot is a misfeed, stove pipe, or double feed and the only way to correct it is to drop the mag, clear the chamber, and get back into the fight?

Now you have to add another element of trying to get the slide locked back in order to drop the mag, in an already tense situation. The more stress you add to clearing the gun while under fire is a recipe for a dead cop (or civilian).
Rack, tap, and go...part of the manual of arms in this situation.
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Rack, tap, and go...part of the manual of arms in this situation.
You don't rack, tap and go on a double feed.
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