who here conceal caries a 1911

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by USMC 0802

Kinda funny...How many cops shot themselves with their Glocks last year?

Probably less than the number of marines who shot themselves with their M9's
Pat

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by USMC 0802

I own two Glocks and think they're fine guns. You just have to train with them and obviously some don't do that enough. I find it ironic that some departments will show such disdain for an, "unsafe gun" when mechanically, the 1911 has more safeties. At the end of the day, training makes you safe.

That I agree with training is what matters. I just did not like the crack on cops you made earlier.
Pat

[Hot Brass]

Para P14/45 Limited.

[USMC 0802]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

That I agree with training is what matters. I just did not like the crack on cops you made earlier.
Pat

LOL It was clearly a crack on leadership that see Glocks as more "safe" than other platforms (epsecially those with those scary hammers cocked back). No offense meant against cops.

Departments obviously have a say in what their officers carry.

I am not looking for a pissing contest, but apparently you are by taking my comment out of context. I won't comment further on weapons proficiency or this will go downhill fast.

[Tercel89]

Originally Posted by tomfoolery

I carry a SA full size every day. Hot, cold, rain, or snow....I carry it in a Don Hume IWB leather holster. It dissapears under a t-shirt or anything else i wear.

But im not a little guy either

Which Don Hume is it that you have ? I was looking at Don Hume for my Compact 1911. Can you tell me the name and model? I have lots of Don Hume holsters but no IWB's.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by USMC 0802

LOL It was clearly a crack on leadership that see Glocks as more "safe" than other platforms (epsecially those with those scary hammers cocked back). No offense meant against cops.

Departments obviously have a say in what their officers carry.

I am not looking for a pissing contest, but apparently you are by taking my comment out of context. I won't comment further on weapons proficiency or this will go downhill fast.

Ok I am sorry if I took your comment out of context. As for weapon proficiency not all departments are created equally. The national hit ratio for law enforcement is 20 to 25%. In Alaska the average is in the mid 80% range and used to be as high as 90%.

But the military is actually worse if you consider how many rounds are fired down range to get a single hit. I believe it was 500 rounds in Vietnam for every enemy hit.

I will compliment the Marine corps on one issue they shoot their rifles well. Most of the officers I have had that were former marines shot well with their patrol rifles and shotguns. Not so much with their pistols. I can't say that of other military branches. I have one officer who is currently in the guard who brags about all his weapons training and how he is sniper trained but when I take him to the range he can barely qualify. It makes me question what ever standard the Army National guard has for weapon proficiency.
Pat

[saltysquid]

I carry either a colt lw officers acp, sig carry, dw cbob or fusion commander all bobtailed.

[Goldy49]

I carry a Springfield Champion in either a Galco Miami Classic Shoulder holster or an El Paso Sadlery insidethe pants holster. I own other guns, but the Champion is my choice year round.

[jeepinbanditrider]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Ok I am sorry if I took your comment out of context. As for weapon proficiency not all departments are created equally. The national hit ratio for law enforcement is 20 to 25%. In Alaska the average is in the mid 80% range and used to be as high as 90%.

But the military is actually worse if you consider how many rounds are fired down range to get a single hit. I believe it was 500 rounds in Vietnam for every enemy hit.

I will compliment the Marine corps on one issue they shoot their rifles well. Most of the officers I have had that were former marines shot well with their patrol rifles and shotguns. Not so much with their pistols. I can't say that of other military branches. I have one officer who is currently in the guard who brags about all his weapons training and how he is sniper trained but when I take him to the range he can barely qualify. It makes me question what ever standard the Army National guard has for weapon proficiency.
Pat

You need to add two zeros to the end of that 500.

It was 50,000 rounds expended for a single kill by regular infantrymen. From what I've been able to find.

[ljshooter]

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

You need to add two zeros to the end of that 500.

It was 50,000 rounds expended for a single kill by regular infantrymen. From what I've been able to find.

If I am not mistaken I think I read the same figure as you (50,000).

Spray and pray.