Suddenly, I feel like a lesser man.....

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by nikon777

Honestly, Id take the Sig.

No thanks, I don't care for that long long loooooooooonng trigger pull on the first round. I have an XD if I want something less crisp than a 1911.

Originally Posted by russel5150

i think i actually like them better without the light rail.

i have the basic GI45 that i carry for duty, and i love it. im not one on high end custom guns, but if i were to buy one it would be the pro. besides being a springfield, i like that the FBI contract writers were smart enough to leave off the front cocking serrations and the full length guide rod!!

i think if i had one the only thing i would do to it is take off the ambi saftey, other than that i would just shoot it every chance i got and carry it!.

on a side note.. the profesionals with a light rail will be marked operator, and the ones without will still say professional..

i still drool when i see the pics! its the only high end gun that i am even interested in!

russel
SDMF

What's wrong with a full length guide rod? I'm talking about a solid, one piece, not the two piece that needs a hex or allen wrench to take down.

I also don't care for ambi safeties.

[russel5150]

What's wrong with a full length guide rod? I'm talking about a solid, one piece, not the two piece that needs a hex or allen wrench to take down.

its not that there is anything "wrong" with it. its just that it doesnt really do anything except add weight ( which some people prefer).

for me, it adds to the takedown, but doesnt offer any benifits. my officers size has a full length in it and i still have to use a paperclip to capture the spring to take the rod out.

its personal preference, but there are a lot of people who are starting to realize it doesnt really do anything (other than the weight). it was a fix to a non existant problem. it doesnt do anything for the recoil spring, the spring isnt going to go anywhere anyway, and it doesnt make a noticable difference in accuracy, ( the springfield pro proved that, but people suspected it even before then)

in other guns its ness, but in a 1911, its not a piece that needs to be there, so like i said, its simply preference. i dont slight people who use them, its just not for me, its an add on.. like utters on a bull....

a side note.. lol.. sigs are fine, but im spoiled to single action pulls.. lol

my two cents

russel
SDMF

[Ishpeck]

Originally Posted by nikon777

Honestly, Id take the Sig

What're you gay?

Just kiddin'. SiG's a fine weapon. I just have a 1911 fetish like every other red-blooded American.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

What're you gay?

Just kiddin'. SiG's a fine weapon. I just have a 1911 fetish like every other red-blooded American.

HAHAHA!!!

I've kinda wondered about Nikon a little. He is into M&P's you know. Or was that Military Policemen? I forget.

[Bidah]

I really do like the looks of that, even though I am not a big "rail on a 1911" fan. I would not feel lesser for it. Heck, I love my Loaded..

I have gone back and forth on guide rods. My compact (and my wifes) has the bushingless barrel with the guide rod. Not too bad, and it makes sense. The Loaded has the two piece, and my first inclination was to get rid of it. I decided to stick it out for a bit, and while it is somewhat of a pain to remove/install, I have grown used to it. I still might change it out with a regular plug just to make it easier.

I have tried and tried to like the Sig, but I just don't warm up to the trigger. I don't have a problem with DA/SA per se, as I do have my CZ's, and I love them. The Sig is just different...

[1BN/75th]

Guy's Sigs, XD's, even a few S&W's are fine weapons. Lets cut to the chase, what side arm helped free most of europe twice in the 20th century? Oh Yeah it was that old outdated brokedown 1911, which is still the basis for 90+% of all highend ultra reliable, ultra accurate combat/target heavy caliber pistols.
Face facts fellows the 1911 IS THE BENCHMARK OF PERFORMANCE AND DURABILITY that all pistols strive to equal even today. SIG's, Glocks, S&Ws heck all the modern designs are still trying to knock the Old Dog of the top of the mound. I said trying, as none has the track record of the 1911 and never will. In 2085 when Glocks are 100 years old the 1911 will be 174 years old and still wining matches, still taking out bad guys and still be the worlds most tested combat pistol! You can't change historical fact or argue the fact of the 1911's place in the modern market.

Someone asked how a TRP is better than a Kimber Custom? You have never held/fired a TRP have you? Kimber uses alot of MIM parts and they have had frame and slide failures as a result. Other than HYPE a Kimber is a nice 1911, but it ain't the best by a Loooong shot! If you are a kimberite then you bought the advertisements lock stock and barrel!
The Kimber custom TLE is a production gun nothing custom about it, no way it is worth 50% more than a Springer loaded.
I know I am not the only one here that has always felt that the kimbers always feel lite for steel guns and not in a good way. To me Kimbers feel alot like a RIA's when you have your eyes closed. They are not more accurate, reliable or durable than any good 1911 just more $$$$. Somebody has to pay for all that advertising!!
You want to see a tuff production 1911, look around the net for the video of Todd Jarrett putting 1000 rnds through a box stock Para pxt ssp in under 11 minutes! The barrel changes colors from the heat, the gun gets so hot the trigger is burning his finger but it just kept running, no failures of any type. Wonder if the Kimber with all those MIM parts could stand the heat and abuse of that test and then still shoot just as well afterwards? I doubt it!
You want a top of the line 1911, sell two kimbers for what they cost new and by a Nighthawk,Wilson,Baer,Brown,Tussey,Reeder etc etc.
Pure sex in motion when fired! Makes the Springer loadeds, the kimbers, and the rest of the production 1911's feel like old army surplus guns!
Unless you go custom they are mid grade 1911's at best, most are entry level.
Want proof? Go to a big rental range and rent a RIA tactical along with a kimber "custom". Take a partner with you and have him place one in your hands and aim you, with your eyes closed, then switch guns. Then see just how much difference you feel. Remember one of those guns cost twice as much as the other! Yeah then go for accuracy, if both are stock it will be neck in neck again.
Have I had a bad Kimber? NO not personally.
I know a LEO that spent 3 months recovering from a Kimber MIM disconnector failure that rendered his mighty "Big K" inop after the 2nd shot during a shotout! How bad did he get it? 4 rnds 9mm to the torso 1 in the right leg, once center mass from a 12ga riot gun and struck by his own cruiser as the BG drove off with it!!!
The top of the disconnector sheared off due to an inclusion in the material and was jammed in the passage holding the disconnect down like the gun was out of battery.
Come on barrage me with some BS come backs about the legendary Kimber quality and reliability!
It was returned to Kimber, repaired and set back to the officer. Upon his return to duty, with new TRP, he raffled the K off. We all bought a chance for 30 bucks each. Hmmm he made enough to upgrade to the TRP and a full WC fire control system. When the winner was drawn we all met down in the motor pool service garage and took turns at chopping a bit of off with the metal chop saw!!
Had it shadow box framed and gave it back to the original officer!!!
No it was not a single freak problem. That was his thrid big k, first one the frame cracked around the take down pin, second one cracked the slide in the ejection port. All were fed speer lawman ball(range ammo) and non +p Ranger SXT duty ammo.
The TRP has eaten the same now for 2 years and 3+ months without a single hicup!

[saltysquid]

Exactly. I take any full length guide rod out and put in a gi style in any 1911 I own (other than an oacp) as it's just extra weight, does nothing of any benefit and adds to the takedown as you mention.

Not trying to take this off topic but are you running the ismi flat round spring in your officers? THAT is the #1 reason for running a flgr in the oacp and the paper clip capture is nice. I had the kings kit in the first oacp I had and now I have the egw in this one along with the melt bushing.

Originally Posted by russel5150

its not that there is anything "wrong" with it. its just that it doesnt really do anything except add weight ( which some people prefer).

for me, it adds to the takedown, but doesnt offer any benifits. my officers size has a full length in it and i still have to use a paperclip to capture the spring to take the rod out.

its personal preference, but there are a lot of people who are starting to realize it doesnt really do anything (other than the weight). it was a fix to a non existant problem. it doesnt do anything for the recoil spring, the spring isnt going to go anywhere anyway, and it doesnt make a noticable difference in accuracy, ( the springfield pro proved that, but people suspected it even before then)

in other guns its ness, but in a 1911, its not a piece that needs to be there, so like i said, its simply preference.

I didn't read all of 1bn/75th's post above as it's kind of blocked up and hard to read, but the trp has a good amount of mim in it also, the ones I saw you could see the mim circles in the firing pin stop and that's just what's visible while it's together. It's a custom shop gun, as there are kimber custom shop guns, but I would not put it in the same category with the wilson, brown or springfield professional. I am not defending kimber, don't particularly care for them, and the trp is a fine gun but as far as calling the other production guns entry level compared to it is ridiculous. For example the Dan Wessons have better parts with fit and finish as good or better.

In my opinion the trp's packages that are done on a customer's gun or that a customer has special ordered is better than the ones off the shelf, as they are still more of a production gun. Springer still uses more mim parts than I would like in a gun this price. I have shot and been around several. They use the same mim parts as the other springers, the professionals do not. One of the reasons for the price difference.

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[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by 1BN/75th

Guy's Sigs, XD's, even a few S&W's are fine weapons. Lets cut to the chase, what side arm helped free most of europe twice in the 20th century? Oh Yeah it was that old outdated brokedown 1911, which is still the basis for 90+% of all highend ultra reliable, ultra accurate combat/target heavy caliber pistols.
Face facts fellows the 1911 IS THE BENCHMARK OF PERFORMANCE AND DURABILITY that all pistols strive to equal even today. SIG's, Glocks, S&Ws heck all the modern designs are still trying to knock the Old Dog of the top of the mound. I said trying, as none has the track record of the 1911 and never will. In 2085 when Glocks are 100 years old the 1911 will be 174 years old and still wining matches, still taking out bad guys and still be the worlds most tested combat pistol! You can't change historical fact or argue the fact of the 1911's place in the modern market.

Someone asked how a TRP is better than a Kimber Custom? You have never held/fired a TRP have you? Kimber uses alot of MIM parts and they have had frame and slide failures as a result. Other than HYPE a Kimber is a nice 1911, but it ain't the best by a Loooong shot! If you are a kimberite then you bought the advertisements lock stock and barrel!
The Kimber custom TLE is a production gun nothing custom about it, no way it is worth 50% more than a Springer loaded.
I know I am not the only one here that has always felt that the kimbers always feel lite for steel guns and not in a good way. To me Kimbers feel alot like a RIA's when you have your eyes closed. They are not more accurate, reliable or durable than any good 1911 just more $$$$. Somebody has to pay for all that advertising!!
You want to see a tuff production 1911, look around the net for the video of Todd Jarrett putting 1000 rnds through a box stock Para pxt ssp in under 11 minutes! The barrel changes colors from the heat, the gun gets so hot the trigger is burning his finger but it just kept running, no failures of any type. Wonder if the Kimber with all those MIM parts could stand the heat and abuse of that test and then still shoot just as well afterwards? I doubt it!
You want a top of the line 1911, sell two kimbers for what they cost new and by a Nighthawk,Wilson,Baer,Brown,Tussey,Reeder etc etc.
Pure sex in motion when fired! Makes the Springer loadeds, the kimbers, and the rest of the production 1911's feel like old army surplus guns!
Unless you go custom they are mid grade 1911's at best, most are entry level.
Want proof? Go to a big rental range and rent a RIA tactical along with a kimber "custom". Take a partner with you and have him place one in your hands and aim you, with your eyes closed, then switch guns. Then see just how much difference you feel. Remember one of those guns cost twice as much as the other! Yeah then go for accuracy, if both are stock it will be neck in neck again.
Have I had a bad Kimber? NO not personally.
I know a LEO that spent 3 months recovering from a Kimber MIM disconnector failure that rendered his mighty "Big K" inop after the 2nd shot during a shotout! How bad did he get it? 4 rnds 9mm to the torso 1 in the right leg, once center mass from a 12ga riot gun and struck by his own cruiser as the BG drove off with it!!!
The top of the disconnector sheared off due to an inclusion in the material and was jammed in the passage holding the disconnect down like the gun was out of battery.
Come on barrage me with some BS come backs about the legendary Kimber quality and reliability!
It was returned to Kimber, repaired and set back to the officer. Upon his return to duty, with new TRP, he raffled the K off. We all bought a chance for 30 bucks each. Hmmm he made enough to upgrade to the TRP and a full WC fire control system. When the winner was drawn we all met down in the motor pool service garage and took turns at chopping a bit of off with the metal chop saw!!
Had it shadow box framed and gave it back to the original officer!!!
No it was not a single freak problem. That was his thrid big k, first one the frame cracked around the take down pin, second one cracked the slide in the ejection port. All were fed speer lawman ball(range ammo) and non +p Ranger SXT duty ammo.
The TRP has eaten the same now for 2 years and 3+ months without a single hicup!

Good post!! Thanks.

Spent two hours at the range last night firing my new TRP. Cannot get over the accuracy. Cannot get over how well it all fits together. Frame to slide fit is impeccable. We were shaking my buddy's RRA and his Springy GI. Both of those two guns sounded like a set of Maracas, they rattled so much. Hell, we were joking that he could join a Maricahi band and play his G.I. as an instrument. LOL.

The TRP is way more accurate than I probably ever will be. Everyone that shot the TRP came away wanting to buy one.

It was overkill for me, but I personally don't give a $hit. I am glad I bought the TRP.

The only other 1911 in the game last night, that I was really impressed with was a Colt 1911. Mark IV Gold cup. Series 70. nice piece.

[saltysquid]

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

What're you gay?

Just kiddin'. SiG's a fine weapon. I just have a 1911 fetish like every other red-blooded American.

I own 1911's and had a sig p220 super match, p220 carry elite and p220 w german. The only sig I have left is the p220 w german. I like the sigs a lot but they just don't do it for me as compared to the 1911's. I kind of want to hold on to the w german, but I have a feeling it will go.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by russel5150

its not that there is anything "wrong" with it. its just that it doesnt really do anything except add weight ( which some people prefer).

for me, it adds to the takedown, but doesnt offer any benifits. my officers size has a full length in it and i still have to use a paperclip to capture the spring to take the rod out.

its personal preference, but there are a lot of people who are starting to realize it doesnt really do anything (other than the weight). it was a fix to a non existant problem. it doesnt do anything for the recoil spring, the spring isnt going to go anywhere anyway, and it doesnt make a noticable difference in accuracy, ( the springfield pro proved that, but people suspected it even before then)

in other guns its ness, but in a 1911, its not a piece that needs to be there, so like i said, its simply preference. i dont slight people who use them, its just not for me, its an add on.. like utters on a bull....

a side note.. lol.. sigs are fine, but im spoiled to single action pulls.. lol

my two cents

russel
SDMF

It doesn't add a step or anything to take down if you use a regular full length solid guide rod like the one in my Dan Wesson. You simply swing the barrel bushing around and take the plug and spring out. Once you have the slide off, you take the guide rod out. I don't have to use any tools whatsoever (no paper clip, nothing) to take mine down.

The extra weight can help with muzzle flip. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but making blanket statements about the necessity of needing tools or extra steps is incorrect.