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medicstimpy · 11-11-2007, 04:50 PM

Well, since there are a lot of 1911 experts here, too, I thought I'd post here before heading off to the 1911 site.

I had a failure to go into battery with a reload. I cleared the round and then couldn't get he slide to move at all. It's locked forward. We did manage to get it to open about 5/16 to 1/4" but it is really hard and also feels like there is no spring tension forward or rearward. Just feels like something is preventing it from opening.

Actually, it felt like the time I forgot I had the ILS system on and it locked the slide. Could it be something in the mainspring housing is broke?

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I do not have the gun with me to check things out right now. It was left with one of the guys at the gun club to see if he can get the thing open.

I just field stripped/cleaned/lubed last nite but didn't do a full disassemly. If functioned fine at first today, too.

bigun · 11-11-2007, 04:59 PM

I have no experience with the ILS but tend to distrust such items. A picture would save alot of guessing. How many rounds did you fire before it locked up? can you field strip it? Does the ILS interrupt the hammerspring function? If it happened on the first round I would guess it has something to do with improper assembly, if it happened during a string of fire I would guess that a round is stuck in the bore or there was a minor kaboom where the barrel may be swollen or split under the slide from a overpressure round or manufacturers defect in the barrel. First try to disengage the ILS if that has no effect contact Springfield and talk about a return. It could also be a broken barrel bushing.

scalce · 11-11-2007, 08:23 PM

You would know if it was the ILS becasue the hammer would be stopping the slide which is what it sounds like.

Knock out the MS pin and drop the whole MSH.

I am changing the ILS out on my TRP as soon as I can.

medicstimpy · 11-12-2007, 01:04 AM

Thanks, guys...

I fired 1 box of LRN through it and was working on the first 1/2 of a box of LSWC. Worked fine until one FTFeed (my ammo). Again, I was able to clear the round. I usually rack the slide forward and back once or twice when this happens before replacing the mag and reloading but it just plain locked up when I racked it forward. At least it's unloaded but still...

So, basically can't field strip it because the slide won't move at all. Just about 5/16 to 1/4". It was near closing time so didn't have much time to investigate further.

The smith at the club couldn't get it to move, either so he's going to see if he can at least get the thing apart Monday morning and call with a report of what he finds.

medicstimpy · 11-12-2007, 11:27 PM

OK, thanks again. I forgot to mention, the hammer works, so I guess it's something else. Someone on the 1911 site mentioned it might be as simple as a broken link. I hope it's just that. Have a match on Saturday and wanted to shoot in Standard at that club. If not, good thing I reloaded some 9 for Production.

kannibul · 11-13-2007, 09:46 AM

remove the guide rod and relieve the slide spring. It may make it easier to move around.

The Knight Of Light · 11-13-2007, 03:04 PM

You need a wooden dowel that fits into the barrel and goes all the way to the breach face.

You need to press down as hard as you can on the top of the chamber and smack the dowel to force the breach backwards and pressing on the barrel forces it down and out of battery. Sounds like you may have missed the link on the barrel when putting the gun back together. It may work fine during a hand cycled function check but as soon as you fire the pistol it will lock up tight and not move.

Once you get the gun out of battery you will be able to get the slide stop out and the gun will come apart.

Just a suggestion. Please don't break your gun(not that you will

).

karagrig · 11-13-2007, 06:47 PM

It sounds like what happened to mine. After only 5,000 rounds one of the barrel lugs broke off and jammed the recoil spring. I was able to field strip it though. I sent it to Springfield for repairs, but I don't trust it that much anymore.

grahamstein · 11-14-2007, 07:47 AM

Problems like this are why i hate one-piece full length guide rods.

bountyhunter · 11-14-2007, 10:28 AM

If it is a reload round, it could be as simple as the brass locking tight in the barrel throat. If you can get the slide back far enough, you can reach in with a very thin screwdriver and pry the extractor far enough over to let it slip past the rim of the brass. You would not believe you how many times and oversized round has jammed a gun that way.

11-11-2007, 04:50 PM	#1
medicstimpy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebecistan in the land of anti's... the dictatorship of Canada Posts: 422	Need help - Springer Loaded 9132 locked shut... Well, since there are a lot of 1911 experts here, too, I thought I'd post here before heading off to the 1911 site. I had a failure to go into battery with a reload. I cleared the round and then couldn't get he slide to move at all. It's locked forward. We did manage to get it to open about 5/16 to 1/4" but it is really hard and also feels like there is no spring tension forward or rearward. Just feels like something is preventing it from opening. Actually, it felt like the time I forgot I had the ILS system on and it locked the slide. Could it be something in the mainspring housing is broke? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I do not have the gun with me to check things out right now. It was left with one of the guys at the gun club to see if he can get the thing open. I just field stripped/cleaned/lubed last nite but didn't do a full disassemly. If functioned fine at first today, too. __________________ Springfield Armory: 1911 Loaded SS (x2), XD9-TAC & XD45-TAC AR-15: Armalite .223, RockRiverArms 9mm Ruger: Mark III, 10/22 S&W: 686 Tokarev: 1942 Soviet TT33, 1958 Hungarian TT-58 Tokagypt, 1954 .22 Polish Sportowy Norchinko: M14S (x2) Yugo: M48 Mauser, M59/66 SKS Desert Chicken 44Magnum Levers: Win '94 1962 (unfired) & 1958 in 30-30 Taurus: 455 Tracker... 45ACP wheel gun... WAY KEWL If GUNS kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat

11-11-2007, 04:59 PM	#2
bigun XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Iowa Posts: 3,179	I have no experience with the ILS but tend to distrust such items. A picture would save alot of guessing. How many rounds did you fire before it locked up? can you field strip it? Does the ILS interrupt the hammerspring function? If it happened on the first round I would guess it has something to do with improper assembly, if it happened during a string of fire I would guess that a round is stuck in the bore or there was a minor kaboom where the barrel may be swollen or split under the slide from a overpressure round or manufacturers defect in the barrel. First try to disengage the ILS if that has no effect contact Springfield and talk about a return. It could also be a broken barrel bushing. __________________ The second ammendment is the ammendment that protects all of the others.

11-12-2007, 01:04 AM	#4
medicstimpy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebecistan in the land of anti's... the dictatorship of Canada Posts: 422	Thanks, guys... I fired 1 box of LRN through it and was working on the first 1/2 of a box of LSWC. Worked fine until one FTFeed (my ammo). Again, I was able to clear the round. I usually rack the slide forward and back once or twice when this happens before replacing the mag and reloading but it just plain locked up when I racked it forward. At least it's unloaded but still... So, basically can't field strip it because the slide won't move at all. Just about 5/16 to 1/4". It was near closing time so didn't have much time to investigate further. The smith at the club couldn't get it to move, either so he's going to see if he can at least get the thing apart Monday morning and call with a report of what he finds. __________________ Springfield Armory: 1911 Loaded SS (x2), XD9-TAC & XD45-TAC AR-15: Armalite .223, RockRiverArms 9mm Ruger: Mark III, 10/22 S&W: 686 Tokarev: 1942 Soviet TT33, 1958 Hungarian TT-58 Tokagypt, 1954 .22 Polish Sportowy Norchinko: M14S (x2) Yugo: M48 Mauser, M59/66 SKS Desert Chicken 44Magnum Levers: Win '94 1962 (unfired) & 1958 in 30-30 Taurus: 455 Tracker... 45ACP wheel gun... WAY KEWL If GUNS kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat

11-12-2007, 11:27 PM	#5
medicstimpy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebecistan in the land of anti's... the dictatorship of Canada Posts: 422	OK, thanks again. I forgot to mention, the hammer works, so I guess it's something else. Someone on the 1911 site mentioned it might be as simple as a broken link. I hope it's just that. Have a match on Saturday and wanted to shoot in Standard at that club. If not, good thing I reloaded some 9 for Production. __________________ Springfield Armory: 1911 Loaded SS (x2), XD9-TAC & XD45-TAC AR-15: Armalite .223, RockRiverArms 9mm Ruger: Mark III, 10/22 S&W: 686 Tokarev: 1942 Soviet TT33, 1958 Hungarian TT-58 Tokagypt, 1954 .22 Polish Sportowy Norchinko: M14S (x2) Yugo: M48 Mauser, M59/66 SKS Desert Chicken 44Magnum Levers: Win '94 1962 (unfired) & 1958 in 30-30 Taurus: 455 Tracker... 45ACP wheel gun... WAY KEWL If GUNS kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat

11-13-2007, 03:04 PM	#7
The Knight Of Light XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska(sublocated at a Sandy location far, far away) Posts: 8,873 Blog Entries: 13	You need a wooden dowel that fits into the barrel and goes all the way to the breach face. You need to press down as hard as you can on the top of the chamber and smack the dowel to force the breach backwards and pressing on the barrel forces it down and out of battery. Sounds like you may have missed the link on the barrel when putting the gun back together. It may work fine during a hand cycled function check but as soon as you fire the pistol it will lock up tight and not move. Once you get the gun out of battery you will be able to get the slide stop out and the gun will come apart. Just a suggestion. Please don't break your gun(not that you will). __________________ No Matter Where You Go, There You Are. USPSA #L3077 What a great number!!! http://theknightoflight.blogspot.com/ Creator of TOP 'O' THE PAGE!!! Moose Fight

11-11-2007, 08:23 PM	#3
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	You would know if it was the ILS becasue the hammer would be stopping the slide which is what it sounds like. Knock out the MS pin and drop the whole MSH. I am changing the ILS out on my TRP as soon as I can.

11-13-2007, 09:46 AM	#6
kannibul XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 806	remove the guide rod and relieve the slide spring. It may make it easier to move around.

11-13-2007, 06:47 PM	#8
karagrig XDTalk Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bucks County PA Posts: 83	It sounds like what happened to mine. After only 5,000 rounds one of the barrel lugs broke off and jammed the recoil spring. I was able to field strip it though. I sent it to Springfield for repairs, but I don't trust it that much anymore. __________________ “You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar.” Jeff Cooper

11-14-2007, 07:47 AM	#9
grahamstein XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West Nyack, NY Posts: 690	Problems like this are why i hate one-piece full length guide rods. __________________ "To be Irish is to know that in the end, the world will break your heart." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

11-14-2007, 10:28 AM	#10
bountyhunter XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nazifornia Posts: 1,651	If it is a reload round, it could be as simple as the brass locking tight in the barrel throat. If you can get the slide back far enough, you can reach in with a very thin screwdriver and pry the extractor far enough over to let it slip past the rim of the brass. You would not believe you how many times and oversized round has jammed a gun that way.

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