frangibles through a 1911?

[saltysquid]

I hear this said all the time and maybe it has been used, but I have never heard if it happening other than internet posts and ayood. I think it is WAY more the exception than the rule.

I also have a hard time believing reloading to lower specs would result in this happening anyway. That's what I am talking about, tonind them down to prevent overpenetration. If someone is reloading extra hot stuff the attorney could label you as overzealous. If you are loading to less than factory specs to keep down overpenetration what could they label you as? Underzealous?

If you use your gun for self protection and live in the type of area where they would make a case out of the type of ammo you have, then chances are they will make a MUCH bigger case out of using your gun at all. In other words if they are going to try to hammer you it will be for using your gun, period. How many here have known of someone that had a good shoot and no charges were pressed except for the type of ammo that was used....especially if it was reloaded lower fps than factory ammo? Well sir, your shoot was good and it was self defense but we are still going to hammer you for reloading your ammo. If you are being hammered for a bad shoot then the last thing you need to be worried about is if you reloaded your ammo or not, you are already screwed. Just shooting someone, even in defense situations, is way more to worry about than what kind of ammo you have. Ever hear of someone getting nailed for using hollow points? It would be much easier to prove in court that hollow points are desined for more damage than fmj's and make the shooter out to be a bad guy. So I guess hollow points are out also?

If you don't trust your own reloaded ammo, then definitely do not carry it.

The last point is that having to use your carry handgun is extremely slim and being taken to court over handloads less that and if you reload them belos the factory specs probably even slimmer.

[Myk9noseknows]

I think it kind of depends on the state you live in.

But in all fairness, even if you can't find a single documented case of someone being tried based on a hand load....why take the chance? When CCW a lot of legall issues will come into play, why add another wrench to the machine.

IMO, for legal and other reasons, don't use handloads for CCW/personal protection. It's just not worth taking that 1 in a million chance

[rooster]

Ok so frangibles would be the best bet.

The whole reason i decided to go with frangibles is for 'if' something should happen. Making reloads in how others may see it says "i intend to shoot someone", kinda how if you modify your weapon by reducing trigger pull or switch out the hammer to reduce the chance of a snag. it is all in the opinions of those who stand against you. i have no problem making reloads, i think that is a great idea. but i have to prove to 12 people that i made those rounds to protect others and not to take a life. reloads to a jury might say i went looking for trouble to dish out vigilante justice.

plus if i was to load down the rounds i would just be loading the 38 super casing down to lugger, makarov, or down to 380. my sister has a feg pa-63, i could carry that but i like my weapon better.

So i think sticking with a factory load frangibles is the way to go. i rather just play it safe. which brand yet? i don't know but i'm open for suggestions.

I use the pow'rballs right now. but they travel at like 1500fps.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

I would stay away from frangibles and Glaser "Safety Slugs". There is a reason the Air Marshals don't use them anymore. Can you get .38 Super in something like Gold Dot or Federal HPs?

HPs are still just as bad cause they are all +P and the lighter bullet travels a lot faster. plus my 1911 does not always like HPs. i use Pow'rballs and i have used winchester silver tips(which i think are fantastic) with no problems. but other brands have given me trouble.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by rooster

HPs are still just as bad cause they are all +P .

First time I ever heard this. I use Speer Gold Dots and Federal Hydra-Shox as self defense rounds and have never seen any indication on the packaging that they are "+P"



Peace,
D.

[saltysquid]

Originally Posted by Myk9noseknows

I think it kind of depends on the state you live in.

But in all fairness, even if you can't find a single documented case of someone being tried based on a hand load....why take the chance? When CCW a lot of legall issues will come into play, why add another wrench to the machine.

IMO, for legal and other reasons, don't use handloads for CCW/personal protection. It's just not worth taking that 1 in a million chance

Because I'm not going to worry about something I don't think is going to happen. Why don't I just stay home instead of going driving because there's a chance of having a flat tire. There's a chance a plane might fall on me so better not go walking.

I think the chances of this happening is FAR less than 1 in a million but why stop there? The chances of being hammered for just using the gun is MUCH greater than being hammered for the type of ammo you use, so why not just not carry one?

It cracks me up when someone is so worried about something that will in my mind will never happen at all. They can't possibly make it worse on you for using ammo that is less powerful than the factory stuff. People say it's best to use what your local cops use and while I don't see anything wrong with that I believe it would be much easier for an attorney to prove malice against some "wannabe cop" using the "high powered ammo cops use" or "ammo designed for maximum damage and penetration" than if you make ammo that's less powerful to avoid overpenetration.

[lobster_roboto]

Originally Posted by Delija

First time I ever heard this. I use Speer Gold Dots and Federal Hydra-Shox as self defense rounds and have never seen any indication on the packaging that they are "+P"



Peace,
D.

It is very hard to find non +P .38 super as pretty much everything that is .38 super is simply .38 auto with overpressure.


I also don't think this is a question of legality.... moreso about functionality.

[jeepinbanditrider]

Originally Posted by rooster

HPs are still just as bad cause they are all +P and the lighter bullet travels a lot faster. plus my 1911 does not always like HPs. i use Pow'rballs and i have used winchester silver tips(which i think are fantastic) with no problems. but other brands have given me trouble.

Negative who ever fed you this line is wrong.

Only HP ammo that is marked +P is going to be +P Infact i have a box of NON-+P 147gr 9mm Gold Dots sitting in my closet right now.

I also have some Winchester HPs in .45 that aren't +P.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

Negative who ever fed you this line is wrong.

Only HP ammo that is marked +P is going to be +P Infact i have a box of NON-+P 147gr 9mm Gold Dots sitting in my closet right now.

I also have some Winchester HPs in .45 that aren't +P.

ok yeah show me a box of 38 super HPs that are not +P!!!
i didn't say all HPs in general!!!
and nobody is feeding me anything,,,
i made the observation while shopping for ammo for my 38 super. so far everything that is a HP in the caliber of 38 super is +P...

i don't care about your .45 ammo that isn't +P....i'm talking about 38super always have been!

also FEDERAL dose not have any HPs for 38 super. nor am i finding any GOLD DOT in it, anyways if i do it will still be in +P probably.

[lobster_roboto]

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

Negative who ever fed you this line is wrong.

Only HP ammo that is marked +P is going to be +P Infact i have a box of NON-+P 147gr 9mm Gold Dots sitting in my closet right now.

I also have some Winchester HPs in .45 that aren't +P.

Negative who ever told you he was wrong is wrong...

Out of context yes you would be right if his comment was a blanket statement covering all calibers... but this is not the case... the caliber we are talking about does not come in non +P HP

and for the record... we are talking about .38 SUPER