XD Talk

Charlie Xray · 08-14-2011, 09:28 PM

I apologize for misrepresenting your position.

CX

Faustotaveras · 08-14-2011, 10:17 PM

It may be a user's error, but would that have happened had it been a double action chick?

Quack · 08-15-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Faustotaveras

It may be a user's error, but would that have happened had it been a double action chick?

If it was a glock or m&p, definitely.

ichy_trigger · 08-15-2011, 07:42 AM

Also remember that there are alot of inexperienced shooters having 2lb. and under trigger jobs done on their 1911's. If you ever felt a 2lb. or sub 2lb. trigger job on a 1911, you will understand how little effort it takes to discharge the weapon. Couple this with being put under pressure and drawing while your manipulating a release that places your trigger finger adjacent to the trigger and your asking for an accident.

Im not a fan of the holster design.

Quack · 08-15-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

Also remember that there are alot of inexperienced shooters having 2lb. and under trigger jobs done on their 1911's. If you ever felt a 2lb. or sub 2lb. trigger job on a 1911, you will understand how little effort it takes to discharge the weapon. Couple this with being put under pressure and drawing while your manipulating a release that places your trigger finger adjacent to the trigger and your asking for an accident.

Im not a fan of the holster design.

that too. my friends that shoot my 2.5# triggers get un-intentional double-taps. one even says that the trigger goes off if he blinks.

**BrigadeGunLeather** · 08-15-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dacsoft

We have recently experienced 2 accidents during an IDPA event where the shooter shot himself on the draw....
I am not a gunsmith, so would like some opinion. Is the 1911 actually unsafe when compared to others like the Glock?

When built correctly by a true 1911 pistolsmith who knows his stuff, and there are many who do and many more who don't, the 1911 pistol is one of the safest handguns in the world with two well designed safeties.

The problem may be shooter technique, or plastic holster design combined with technique or improper gunsmithing. One would have to look at the event and rule out what did and didn't happen. Example... speaking of the tolerances in the pistol, sear spring weight, disconnect spring weight, disconnect length, hammer hook length (too short maybe), sear nose angle relating to hammer hooks, sear length. Thumb safety pad clearance to sear, or grip safety arm clearance to the trigger bow. Too many incorrect tolerances and ill fitted parts can accumulate to a pistol that is very unsafe with a freshly chambered round, some of those factors can and do make it so that very little trigger pressure can fire the round. I have done a few videos as a pistolsmith to educate folks on trigger jobs and safeties.

On the other hand... the most well built pistol won't be safe in the hands of unsafe practices.

Cocked and locked carry on a well built 1911 is 100% safe absolutely. If interested take a look at how a proper trigger job should be including cutting the hammer hooks on a mill.

Youtube Harp custom pistols

Cuda66 · 08-15-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Faustotaveras

It may be a user's error, but would that have happened had it been a double action chick?

A long, heavy DA trigger would make this more difficult, but would not necessarily prevent it. People have shot themselves with DA revolvers when drawing.

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Originally Posted by Quack

If it was a glock or m&p, definitely.

Or an XD...one normally draws with a firing grip, which would disengage the grip safety.

Spooled · 08-15-2011, 05:21 PM

any gun is unsafe in the hands of an idiot.

Stogies · 08-15-2011, 06:04 PM

I think you already kind of answered your question ... it happened during IDPA matches. A situation where people are gunning for split second time advantages, I can see how that can go wrong in a hurry (no pun intended).

prophetic_joe · 08-15-2011, 06:07 PM

A 1911 is a very safe weapon. It is no less safe that any other firearm when all precautions are taken. Unless there is some fault a gun in particular it should be fine. In order to fire the grip safety needs to be pressed, safety needs to be flipped off and the trigger needs to be pulled. With all those safeties in place NDs should be very very rare. When you think about the amount of safeties a 1911 has in comparison to a Glock or M&P, 2 safeties for 1911 1 for the others, it should technically be a safer firearm. I think, like everyone else has said, that it comes down to user error and maybe a poorly designed holster.