Is 1911 more dangerous drawn from Serpa holster?This is a discussion on Is 1911 more dangerous drawn from Serpa holster? within the M1911 forums, part of the Other Handgun Talk category; Originally Posted by Charlie Xray
The problem is the holster. The Serpa holster is banned by many firearms instructors in their classes because of this.
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08-14-2011, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Xray
The problem is the holster. The Serpa holster is banned by many firearms instructors in their classes because of this.
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Including this instructor. I personally know of three people wounded because their trigger fingers slipped off the Serpa and onto the trigger. I do not like the design of that holster even a little bit.
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08-14-2011, 03:23 PM
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Agreed with all of the above sentiments. 1911 is a safe design, Serpa holsters need a design change, shooter error.
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08-14-2011, 07:48 PM
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Agreed.
While I stil have a serpa deep in my holster box, it's never worn anymore...I'm trying to decide if I can sell it in good conscience.
Odds are the shooters were also disengaging the safety before their sights were on the target...more shooter error.
As for the cop who said it's unsafe...well, he wouldn't be the first moron to wear a badge.
There is no such thing as a safe gun. Just safe users.
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08-14-2011, 07:51 PM
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There is no such thing as a safe gun. Just safe users.
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Well said!
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08-14-2011, 07:54 PM
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nope, it's more like the holster & training. Even Chris Cerino (Runner up in Top Shot) shot himself using a Serpa. You also have to question the holster if training classes don't allow them too.
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Firearms training officer accidentally shoots himself | cleveland.com
These are a few quotes from Chris
"We were running some timed drills and I was working with a newly acquired Blackhawk Serpa holster. I had some reservations about any holster where you use your trigger finger to release the gun. I had been struggling with the holster as I have had Safariland holsters"
"Add me to the list of losers who can't properly function a serpa"
" I do have reservations about using your trigger finger for anything but pulling a trigger. I would venture to say that there are plenty more incidents not reported. I will not condemn the holster"
Picture of injury can be found HERE
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08-14-2011, 08:30 PM
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08-14-2011, 08:33 PM
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Great example
i just ******* shot myself - YouTube
This guy shows why its shooter error.
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08-14-2011, 08:43 PM
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nope, it's more like the holster & training. Even Chris Cerino (Runner up in Top Shot) shot himself using a Serpa. You also have to question the holster if training classes don't allow them too.
" I do have reservations about using your trigger finger for anything but pulling a trigger. I would venture to say that there are plenty more incidents not reported. I will not condemn the holster"
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I find Chris' statement contradictory. On one hand he acknowledges the holster design is likely responsible for many incidents and yet does not condemn the design. Chris and Quack seems to believe good training will fix the problem?
While training can reduce some of the risk inherent to the really bad idea of having the trigger finger doing something very similar to engaging the trigger at an inappropriate time during the draw stroke, under stress all bets are off. I would hate to lose a gunfight because I shot myself!
This holster is entirely too risky to use. I predict the Serpa will eventually be withdrawn from the market under the shadow of multiple law suits.
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08-14-2011, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Xray
I find Chris' statement contradictory. On one hand he acknowledges the holster design is likely responsible for many incidents and yet does not condemn the design. Chris and Quack seems to believe good training will fix the problem?
While training can reduce some of the risk inherent to the really bad idea of having the trigger finger doing something very similar to engaging the trigger at an inappropriate time during the draw stroke, under stress all bets are off. I would hate to lose a gunfight because I shot myself!
This holster is entirely too risky to use. I predict the Serpa will eventually be withdrawn from the market under the shadow of multiple law suits.
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my answer should've been 2 parts...
my reference to the training part is not to disengage the thumb safety on the 1911 until it's on target.
the holster is just a bad design IMO. Chris was using a M&P9 with the SERPA
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