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The Knight Of Light · 06-02-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuppicide

Note to self:

Create and market a tightly woven "Taser proof" jacket!!!

You have been beaten.

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street cruiser · 06-02-2008, 09:25 PM

Pat, One thing I have heard is that some people will twist or turn to keep one or both probes from getting a good contact. I've seen it once and heard from other officers who described the same thing happening. Is that what happened w/ your guy?

**Alaskapopo** · 06-03-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by street cruiser

Pat, One thing I have heard is that some people will twist or turn to keep one or both probes from getting a good contact. I've seen it once and heard from other officers who described the same thing happening. Is that what happened w/ your guy?

Not really it just did not have any effect. Some of the probs were found in the sleves of his shirt. Only one penetrated the clothes and got to skin.
Pat

bigun · 06-03-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

We were fine and all worked out. I still like the taser but I am aware more of its limitations now. This guy was not one I wanted to go hands on with but that was the only thing that worked.
pat

I ruptured a bursal sack in my elbow durring the last good fight I had ,the SOB is still killing me after 4 months.

x_out86 · 06-04-2008, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

Note to self:

Create and market a tightly woven "Taser proof" jacket!!!

They are already making a fabric that is laid on top of the kevlar in body armor. I just saw an ad for it the APB (American Police Bulletin), I think it was PACA and US Armor were already using it. Shows a picture that the ark will still occur between the electrodes, it just offers it a lesser path of resistance than your body.

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Originally Posted by kayl

My instructor told us that if we can't get a solid hit upper body that a leg shot will usually work, but if they're moving on ya- good luck!

Glad you're safe!

We were told the same. Leg shots are recommended for people that have heavy tops on. As far as getting somebody on the move, I wouldnt even take the taser shot anyways. I figure if they are on the move its time to go hands on. I have seen far too many videos, and heard too many stories where a probe was dropped because the officer(s) were running and had bad aim.

street cruiser · 06-04-2008, 10:21 PM

During our training we were advised, if you had your Taser out, to initiate a drive stun with the cartridge still in place if you're at hands on range. Although the effect would be localized the thinking is that you can then execute a drive stun somewhere else on the BG's body thereby creating the circuit. This is of course if you're in a situation where you would use the Taser amd its at close range. I haven't had to try it yet so I don't have any first hand knowledge.

**Alaskapopo** · 06-04-2008, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by street cruiser

During our training we were advised, if you had your Taser out, to initiate a drive stun with the cartridge still in place if you're at hands on range. Although the effect would be localized the thinking is that you can then execute a drive stun somewhere else on the BG's body thereby creating the circuit. This is of course if you're in a situation where you would use the Taser amd its at close range. I haven't had to try it yet so I don't have any first hand knowledge.

I tried that but the subject was too combative and was not able to get a good contact so I went for the spray then went hands on.
pat

bigmike13588 · 06-10-2008, 06:43 PM

I can tell ya what I know (being a Taser instructor).
The new line of cartridges (labeled XP) are supposed to be better at penetrating and staying in bad guys. They are heavier points & longer darts. The cartridges (all of them) use compressed nitrogen to propel the darts out.
The Taser is great, but its not the end-all be-all for police work. If it doesnt work, you need to move on, just like any other tool in your belt, oc, cuffs, baton etc. The drive stun mentioned is also another technique. If you have at least one dart in the bad guy, you can follow up with the drive stun, and it will complete the circuit. If that doesnt work, drop back, reload, use something else etc.
Mike

The Tengu · 06-10-2008, 11:50 PM

TASER threads make me jealous of other agencies.

I want a TASER! I want an ASP! I want to be able to chase felons and PIT their ****ing stolen cars!

:::sigh:::

kayl · 06-11-2008, 03:47 PM

Decided that this shouldn't be on a non-secure forum...

06-02-2008, 09:25 PM	#22
street cruiser XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 195	Pat, One thing I have heard is that some people will twist or turn to keep one or both probes from getting a good contact. I've seen it once and heard from other officers who described the same thing happening. Is that what happened w/ your guy? __________________ >>>>Perseverate in Pugna<<<< 'Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.' (From a Texas A&M student) The difference between the tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin. (Mark Twain)

06-04-2008, 10:21 PM	#26
street cruiser XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 195	During our training we were advised, if you had your Taser out, to initiate a drive stun with the cartridge still in place if you're at hands on range. Although the effect would be localized the thinking is that you can then execute a drive stun somewhere else on the BG's body thereby creating the circuit. This is of course if you're in a situation where you would use the Taser amd its at close range. I haven't had to try it yet so I don't have any first hand knowledge. __________________ >>>>Perseverate in Pugna<<<< 'Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.' (From a Texas A&M student) The difference between the tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin. (Mark Twain)

06-10-2008, 06:43 PM	#28
bigmike13588 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Brooklyn NY Posts: 107	I can tell ya what I know (being a Taser instructor). The new line of cartridges (labeled XP) are supposed to be better at penetrating and staying in bad guys. They are heavier points & longer darts. The cartridges (all of them) use compressed nitrogen to propel the darts out. The Taser is great, but its not the end-all be-all for police work. If it doesnt work, you need to move on, just like any other tool in your belt, oc, cuffs, baton etc. The drive stun mentioned is also another technique. If you have at least one dart in the bad guy, you can follow up with the drive stun, and it will complete the circuit. If that doesnt work, drop back, reload, use something else etc. Mike __________________ Big Mike Smith & Wesson Model 10, never fired Springfield XD 9MM Service Trijicon Night Sights (SG01) Desantis Pancake with thumb break Desantis Insider with thumb break Blackhawk Serpa Belt/Paddle Shoulder harness & Pancake Hydra-Shock, Speer Gold Dot or Speer Lawman Training ammo Mossberg 500A ------------------------------------------------ Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

06-10-2008, 11:50 PM	#29
The Tengu XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,768	TASER threads make me jealous of other agencies. I want a TASER! I want an ASP! I want to be able to chase felons and PIT their **ing stolen cars! :::sigh::: __________________ The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. United States Code, Title 10, section 311, paragraph (a)**

06-11-2008, 03:47 PM	#30
kayl XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: WI Posts: 1,250	Decided that this shouldn't be on a non-secure forum... __________________ Have you talked to your XD today? Last edited by kayl : 07-03-2008 at 07:40 AM.

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