"Dragon Skin" vests

[wizemt20]

I saw a show on tv a couple of weeks ago, can't remember the name but it was about new military weapons and they were testing out the DragonSkin and from what I saw it was pretty impressive. Did anyone else see this?

[chrisxd45t]

Future Weapons.

[bigun]

Originally Posted by The Tengu

I originally got the ASP handcuffs because of the keyholes on both sides, the flat contact surface that makes it easier to slap them on, the very smooth action, and the choice of colors.

The problem is that they flex. In my last two fights with combative suspects, after I had the first cuff on and twisted the subject's arm back to get their other wrist cuffed, the cheek plates flexed and the bow went on the OUTSIDE of the cheek plates.

In both instances, I had to reach down and use TWO hands to UNDO the malfunction and then guide the ratchet between the plates in order for it to lock.

Taking both of my hands to put on one cuff is very unsafe, and in the last occurrence maintaining control of my suspect was made much more difficult because I had to essentially pin their arm down with my knee while I FIXED the problem.

There was also an earlier issue with the first run of ASP cuffs where they were so easy to pick you could do it with the tip of a knife, or a fork, or anything you could stick in the hole. That issue has since been resolved.

Still, I do not have faith in these cuffs anymore.

I had a similar problem with mine and now they sit on the bedside table for differant encounters.

[mcb]

Originally Posted by The Tengu

The Dragon Skin armor is not suitable for everyday wear by uniform patrol.

The Army disregarded it probably for political reasons. And I have not had faith in NIJ testing for the longest time.

The NIJ protocols for testing of soft body armor leaves a lot of loopholes that manufacturers can exploit, namely the "fair hit" concept, lack of aging simulation, and lack of contact shots. I don't trust NIJ armor testing.

I also do not trust NIJ handcuff approval either, since ASP handcuffs earned NIJ approval and they are actually dangerous for officers to use because they are simply not reliable in struggles with combative subjects.

Remember Dragon Skin is simply Pinnacles top to levels of protections. They make regular soft body armor that would be appropriate for duty officers or even concealable body armor. Go to there website and look they offer a variety of body armor products.

Body Armor Main | Body Armor : Pinnacle Armor - Body Armor and Armoring Products.

mcb

[The Tengu]

Pinnacle is actually supposed to make very good concealable soft body armor. Their 100% woven aramid (Twaron) panels are considered some of the best on the market.

[The Tengu]

Originally Posted by bigun

I had a similar problem with mine and now they sit on the bedside table for differant encounters.

I still keep a pair of ASP chain cuffs on my belt as my backup cuffs. I also use them as my "friendly" handcuffs for polite prisoners.

Once they're on, they're fine. It's just getting them on that has the problem.

I can actually bend my ASP cuffs enough to cause a malfunction using only my pinky finger.