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**hacker15** · 12-08-2006, 03:53 PM

Has anyone else heard about this? Saw a news story (forget where - maybe on FOX?) that there's a move on by DHS to kill the existing "10" codes we've all grown to know,and (some of us) "love" to the point that we don't speak in anything else!

If I remember the story correctly, they want to replace it with a set of common "easily understood" phrases. Now, that's gonna' really SUCK!

Broadside · 12-08-2006, 04:09 PM

Their was talk of it going away and moving to clear english when I was a LEO. That was 10 years ago so I doubt it will be going away anytime soon.

Miguel · 12-08-2006, 04:23 PM

The reason was that every department has its own 10-codes, and in big events(9/11/01) this causes trouble. Maybe instead of banning them, DHS can provide a strange thing called leadership, and come up with a national standard set of 10- codes. One nation, one language type of thing.

rlh2005 · 12-08-2006, 04:27 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111201098.html

Virginia State Police have done away with the 10-codes. They created problems with numerous different agencies responding to the Pentagon on 9/11. You have 20 different police forces within 20 miles radius of the Pentagon -- each with unique 10-codes.

**hacker15** · 12-08-2006, 06:02 PM

I can see the reason - I went through 3 different departments, in 3 different states, over a 20 year period (before I got into security consulting work - and that required a different code in itself!) and had to learn different meanings for the codes each time.

Why not build a universial "10" code from the scattered codes in use? Now just about everyone knows the meaning of 10-4 and 10-10, but how about a code 64 or 56? The last department I worked in used single numeric codes - all the others used a variation of the 10 system. Makes your head hurt!

Seems to me that, with the resources of the NJIS or the NCIC, there should be a way to develop and implement such a system. Just an observation - but it would be nice if someone took the lead on this one - and maybe it should be the DHS (or is that expecting too much?).

Mike TRT · 12-08-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hacker15

I can see the reason - I went through 3 different departments, in 3 different states, over a 20 year period (before I got into security consulting work - and that required a different code in itself!) and had to learn different meanings for the codes each time.

Why not build a universial "10" code from the scattered codes in use? Now just about everyone knows the meaning of 10-4 and 10-10, but how about a code 64 or 56? The last department I worked in used single numeric codes - all the others used a variation of the 10 system. Makes your head hurt!

Seems to me that, with the resources of the NJIS or the NCIC, there should be a way to develop and implement such a system. Just an observation - but it would be nice if someone took the lead on this one - and maybe it should be the DHS (or is that expecting too much?).

10-9 ?

stickman483 · 12-09-2006, 10:06 AM

It keeps popping up in conversation here as well, but since we are so far removed from the east coast, I doubt it will happen any time soon. I expect it will take a minor local disaster to change anyone's mind. I'm not against the idea, but then I haven't been in it as long as many of you.

**hacker15** · 12-09-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike TRT

10-9 ?

Yeah, Mike (or should I say "10-4"?) - I said that one alot, while rifling through the cheat sheet, trying to make sense of the last transmission! Luckily, I wasn't a uniform at that point (mostly investigation and follow-up routines) so all I was doing was monitoring the freqs, to pick up the next assignment, but it made life "interesting" there for awhile......

Mike TRT · 12-09-2006, 05:57 PM

we only use a handful of the 10 codes, and some we have changes ourselves in case an offender hears he has a warrant over the patrol officers radio......

Id like to see a universal phonetic alphabet....there is the military and the feds: alpha bravo charlie delta and the cop adam boy charles david......

TheXDkid · 12-09-2006, 07:04 PM

im no LEO but i like to lurke in these forums.... i know the tv show "cops" is "cops" but i thought it was amazing when they were going through someones car while he was sitting on the hood being all lax the officers were just talking to him looks like they were gonna let him go and one found a gun and some dope so the officer that was searching the car just looked out the door and said..... 10-22 maybe?? just saying what he found taht way the guy didn't run or anything... i just thought wow that system works so well.

12-08-2006, 03:53 PM	#1
hacker15 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 3,472	Killing The "10" Codes? Has anyone else heard about this? Saw a news story (forget where - maybe on FOX?) that there's a move on by DHS to kill the existing "10" codes we've all grown to know,and (some of us) "love" to the point that we don't speak in anything else! If I remember the story correctly, they want to replace it with a set of common "easily understood" phrases. Now, that's gonna' really SUCK! __________________ If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain

12-08-2006, 04:09 PM	#2
Broadside XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,913	Their was talk of it going away and moving to clear english when I was a LEO. That was 10 years ago so I doubt it will be going away anytime soon. __________________ XD - 9 Subcompact XD - 357 Service w/ SA Custom Carry Pro Pkg SA - Mil Spec 1911 A1

12-08-2006, 04:23 PM	#3
Miguel XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 1,869	The reason was that every department has its own 10-codes, and in big events(9/11/01) this causes trouble. Maybe instead of banning them, DHS can provide a strange thing called leadership, and come up with a national standard set of 10- codes. One nation, one language type of thing. __________________ Miguel Enjoying my XD .45ACP Tactical. need to break in my 870, and my wife's XDSC9. I carry my XD45 ACP Tactical, in a SuperTuck from CB. Very comfortable, easy to hide, easy to draw, and easy to reholster. Looking for an HDR*, either an AR-180B, or Kel-Tec FBR. HDR, Homeland Defense Rifle

12-08-2006, 06:02 PM	#5
hacker15 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 3,472	I can see the reason - I went through 3 different departments, in 3 different states, over a 20 year period (before I got into security consulting work - and that required a different code in itself!) and had to learn different meanings for the codes each time. Why not build a universial "10" code from the scattered codes in use? Now just about everyone knows the meaning of 10-4 and 10-10, but how about a code 64 or 56? The last department I worked in used single numeric codes - all the others used a variation of the 10 system. Makes your head hurt! Seems to me that, with the resources of the NJIS or the NCIC, there should be a way to develop and implement such a system. Just an observation - but it would be nice if someone took the lead on this one - and maybe it should be the DHS (or is that expecting too much?). __________________ If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain

12-09-2006, 10:06 AM	#7
stickman483 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 647	It keeps popping up in conversation here as well, but since we are so far removed from the east coast, I doubt it will happen any time soon. I expect it will take a minor local disaster to change anyone's mind. I'm not against the idea, but then I haven't been in it as long as many of you. __________________ "There is no certainty, only opportunity." "V" from "V for Vendetta" Duty Weapon: Para Ordnance 7.45 LDA Off Duty Weapon: XD-45 Compact Home Defense: XD .45 Tactical/TLR-1 and TFO's

12-08-2006, 04:27 PM	#4
rlh2005 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 205	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111201098.html Virginia State Police have done away with the 10-codes. They created problems with numerous different agencies responding to the Pentagon on 9/11. You have 20 different police forces within 20 miles radius of the Pentagon -- each with unique 10-codes.

12-09-2006, 05:57 PM	#9
Mike TRT XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,376	we only use a handful of the 10 codes, and some we have changes ourselves in case an offender hears he has a warrant over the patrol officers radio...... Id like to see a universal phonetic alphabet....there is the military and the feds: alpha bravo charlie delta and the cop adam boy charles david...... __________________ \"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man. And those who have hunted men long enough and liked it never cared for anything else thereafter.\"

12-09-2006, 07:04 PM	#10
TheXDkid XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 628	im no LEO but i like to lurke in these forums.... i know the tv show "cops" is "cops" but i thought it was amazing when they were going through someones car while he was sitting on the hood being all lax the officers were just talking to him looks like they were gonna let him go and one found a gun and some dope so the officer that was searching the car just looked out the door and said..... 10-22 maybe?? just saying what he found taht way the guy didn't run or anything... i just thought wow that system works so well. __________________ "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides." – Thomas Jefferson

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