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aiformula · 01-31-2005, 08:57 PM

I think this guy got the whole E-ticket experience.

http://media2.big-boys.com/taserguncop.wmv

I'm not sure but I think the statie in the vid is the brother in law of a guy my brother grew up w/. Sure sounds/looks like him. Fwiw, my opinion is guy had it coming. Less lethal and less damaging than being clubbed into submission by the baton.

msidner · 01-31-2005, 10:12 PM

Now that's just priceless. They should put that in a "Why you shouldn't drink and drive video", because obviously people disregard the commercials showing the home movies of kids who are killed, innocent people who are killed, so maybe knowing they might get a little taste of 'electric attitude adjustment' would do the trick. Either way quite entertaining to watch.

Matthew

USN RM3 · 02-01-2005, 07:10 AM

Man, that just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck....Reminds me of the worst time I have on this job yet!

whtvrsclvr · 02-01-2005, 08:13 AM

that was awesome. Now I kinda want to know what it's like, considering how many times that guy took it.

I think it's retarded that a cop is allowed to shoot you with a taser, but he's not allowed to punch you in the face. I just read that cops in SC tasered a 75 year old woman in a nursing home... but let them punch her in the face and they're being too brutal. Three months ago FL leos tasered a 5 year old and a 12 year old.

IF you're going to shoot someone, dont' fool yourself into thinking you're unlikely to kill them. 74 deaths have been attributed to use of Taser International's popular models. I would have sued that officer for shooting me that many times. It would serve him right if the guy had passed.

Verm · 02-05-2005, 09:50 PM

even though there have been deaths supposedly attributed to the Tasers, they save more lives of both LEOs and criminals daily.
As for the 75 year old lady and the child, the lady was being combative and physical struggle would have been more dangerous considering her age and condition than the shock from a Taser. As for the child, he was holding a piece of glass at himself threatening to hurt himself. the Taser in that incident caused him to drop the glass and be subdued without harm to him or anyone else.

If anything, the original Tasers aren't powerful enough and Taser has heard the requests are are upping the voltage in their new models. Also Stinger has come out with a new line of products including a new 4 barb gun with about twice the range as well as a new riot shield that has electrodes on the face, which is a fantastic idea. (wish they had this stuff available when I was on the job)

The Tengu · 02-07-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whtvrsclvr

IF you're going to shoot someone, dont' fool yourself into thinking you're unlikely to kill them. 74 deaths have been attributed to use of Taser International's popular models. I would have sued that officer for shooting me that many times. It would serve him right if the guy had passed.

So how would you have apprehended this man?

whtvrsclvr · 02-07-2005, 04:48 PM

realizing I'm not a leo, and don't do this every day, I would have called for backup, and either used fists, blackjack, billy club, whatever it is cops get these days for beating people. And wait til backup came along. When the man was aggressing, I would have punched him... IMO if someone aggresses toward an officer, he is allowed to take a reasonable amount of force to protect himself (notice, NOT to make the arrest, but to protect himself)... even if that means striking first. However, he wasn't even getting that aggressive (no punches, just walking in circles.) Then, he got tasered while walking away from the officer and heading toward his car. Wherever I've worked in mental health situations, I have never had a problem restraining a person from behind using my hands and arms, as I have been quicker than these people. That man seemed drunk enough to me that a sober, healthy officer could tackle him. But to taser a man so many times, when he was walking away in the first place, is ridiculous.

A PA State Cop I once knew told me that a cop will only pursue someone if he can do so without unjustly risking someone's life. We're not sure this guy's offense, but if it doesn't warrant potential death, you jot the license number, issue a warrant, and go pick him up in the morning, if he gets away. You do not shoot an unarmed man in the back with something even non-leo's know have been fatal. He probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway, if the officer just let him go.

Anyway, I would do it differently, but then again, I'd have to, since I'm just a citizen anyway and don't get to play by the same rules.

whtvrsclvr · 02-07-2005, 04:53 PM

see also

http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic....500&highlight=

The Tengu · 02-07-2005, 05:24 PM

Hm. So beating him down is a better option? You can't subdue a drunk with pain effectively. Impact weapons are far too imprecise to be used in this manner. You will do way more damage than necessary.

I also wouldn't put myself in harm's way that readily.

There is no way that I would take a drunk man down with my bare hands on the side of a highway at nighttime if there are safer alternatives.

whtvrsclvr · 02-07-2005, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Tengu

safer alternatives.

agreed.

01-31-2005, 08:57 PM	#1
aiformula XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sw ohio Posts: 3,131	there's going for a ride, then there's Disneyland I think this guy got the whole E-ticket experience. http://media2.big-boys.com/taserguncop.wmv I'm not sure but I think the statie in the vid is the brother in law of a guy my brother grew up w/. Sure sounds/looks like him. Fwiw, my opinion is guy had it coming. Less lethal and less damaging than being clubbed into submission by the baton. __________________ Tony Obama '08... change we can bereave in. Guns are like orgasms.......you just can't have enough good ones!

01-31-2005, 10:12 PM	#2
msidner XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 356	Now that's just priceless. They should put that in a "Why you shouldn't drink and drive video", because obviously people disregard the commercials showing the home movies of kids who are killed, innocent people who are killed, so maybe knowing they might get a little taste of 'electric attitude adjustment' would do the trick. Either way quite entertaining to watch. Matthew __________________ SA XD40 (my favorite) Don\'s Guide Rod Wolff Spring Ruger P95DC (the wife\'s favorite) Taurus CIA 650 .357 (light carry) Kel-Tec P3-AT (my new lighter carry) Raven M-25 (for when a little something is better than nothing)

02-01-2005, 07:10 AM	#3
USN RM3 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 443	Man, that just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck....Reminds me of the worst time I have on this job yet! __________________ No more XD\'s, I am still here because I Love you guys!

02-01-2005, 08:13 AM	#4
whtvrsclvr XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Upper Pottsgrove, PA Posts: 343	that was awesome. Now I kinda want to know what it's like, considering how many times that guy took it. I think it's retarded that a cop is allowed to shoot you with a taser, but he's not allowed to punch you in the face. I just read that cops in SC tasered a 75 year old woman in a nursing home... but let them punch her in the face and they're being too brutal. Three months ago FL leos tasered a 5 year old and a 12 year old. IF you're going to shoot someone, dont' fool yourself into thinking you're unlikely to kill them. 74 deaths have been attributed to use of Taser International's popular models. I would have sued that officer for shooting me that many times. It would serve him right if the guy had passed. __________________ \"The fear we allow is greater than the threat. And that is what precisely what terrorism seeks.\" -- Scott Davies c/o Margie Peterson, The Morning Call.

02-05-2005, 09:50 PM	#5
Verm XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Carson City NV. Posts: 814	even though there have been deaths supposedly attributed to the Tasers, they save more lives of both LEOs and criminals daily. As for the 75 year old lady and the child, the lady was being combative and physical struggle would have been more dangerous considering her age and condition than the shock from a Taser. As for the child, he was holding a piece of glass at himself threatening to hurt himself. the Taser in that incident caused him to drop the glass and be subdued without harm to him or anyone else. If anything, the original Tasers aren't powerful enough and Taser has heard the requests are are upping the voltage in their new models. Also Stinger has come out with a new line of products including a new 4 barb gun with about twice the range as well as a new riot shield that has electrodes on the face, which is a fantastic idea. (wish they had this stuff available when I was on the job) __________________ Enough firepower, the will and the guts to use it all.

02-07-2005, 04:48 PM	#7
whtvrsclvr XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Upper Pottsgrove, PA Posts: 343	realizing I'm not a leo, and don't do this every day, I would have called for backup, and either used fists, blackjack, billy club, whatever it is cops get these days for beating people. And wait til backup came along. When the man was aggressing, I would have punched him... IMO if someone aggresses toward an officer, he is allowed to take a reasonable amount of force to protect himself (notice, NOT to make the arrest, but to protect himself)... even if that means striking first. However, he wasn't even getting that aggressive (no punches, just walking in circles.) Then, he got tasered while walking away from the officer and heading toward his car. Wherever I've worked in mental health situations, I have never had a problem restraining a person from behind using my hands and arms, as I have been quicker than these people. That man seemed drunk enough to me that a sober, healthy officer could tackle him. But to taser a man so many times, when he was walking away in the first place, is ridiculous. A PA State Cop I once knew told me that a cop will only pursue someone if he can do so without unjustly risking someone's life. We're not sure this guy's offense, but if it doesn't warrant potential death, you jot the license number, issue a warrant, and go pick him up in the morning, if he gets away. You do not shoot an unarmed man in the back with something even non-leo's know have been fatal. He probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway, if the officer just let him go. Anyway, I would do it differently, but then again, I'd have to, since I'm just a citizen anyway and don't get to play by the same rules. __________________ \"The fear we allow is greater than the threat. And that is what precisely what terrorism seeks.\" -- Scott Davies c/o Margie Peterson, The Morning Call.

02-07-2005, 04:53 PM	#8
whtvrsclvr XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Upper Pottsgrove, PA Posts: 343	see also http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic....500&highlight= __________________ \"The fear we allow is greater than the threat. And that is what precisely what terrorism seeks.\" -- Scott Davies c/o Margie Peterson, The Morning Call.

02-07-2005, 05:24 PM	#9
The Tengu XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,840	Hm. So beating him down is a better option? You can't subdue a drunk with pain effectively. Impact weapons are far too imprecise to be used in this manner. You will do way more damage than necessary. I also wouldn't put myself in harm's way that readily. There is no way that I would take a drunk man down with my bare hands on the side of a highway at nighttime if there are safer alternatives. __________________ The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. United States Code, Title 10, section 311, paragraph (a)

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