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big kitchens · 03-19-2006, 03:16 PM

I have always wondered how a policeman reacts when you tell him you have a legal weapon in the car. Well I found out the other night. I left work for 30 min. to get something to eat at 8:00 pm, while leaving I forgot to turn my headlights on

. The area was well lit and I was late.
Half way back A policeman speeds up behind me and pulls me over. As soon as I saw the blue lights I figured out the problem and turned them on. I quickly turned on my dome light so he could see through the tint and not worry. When he walked up I had my license out (without unbuckling my seatbelt). I handed him my license and informed him I had a gun with permit. He stared at the permit for a good long while and then when back to his car and wrote a warning for driving without my lights on. He never asked why I carry or where it was located in the truck. I figured he would ask me to get out away from the weapon. But he didn't. I live in alabama where most have guns, so I guess it was no surprise to him.
My advice is to play it cool and put yourself in his shoes walking up on a strange car. I have a lot of respect for law enforcement and the situations they have to be put in everyday. I could have easily been someone with a person in the back cab waiting to shoot

law_n_4_zer · 03-19-2006, 04:29 PM

I am not a LEO yet, I am currently in the academy. Being in Missouri it is legal to carry a weapon in your vehicle concealed without a CCW. This is a hot topic in our training. We are taught that if we see or are told that there is a weapon in the vehicle then the best thing is to separate the person from the place the weapon is at. i.e. if the gun is on the seat or in the glove box in the car, take the person out of the vehicle until you complete your stop. This eliminates the possibility of that person having access to that weapon during your stop. I will not comment on what the officer did with you because every situation is different and every stop is different. It is easy to sit back look at a situation and say that was wrong or that was right. I will not do that. I was not there and was not in that officers shoes. Just my 2 cents.

nick19 · 03-19-2006, 05:24 PM

I was pulled over a few years ago very early in the AM. I was working a security job at a private club with lots of very long shifts. After one long 18 hour shift I was on my way home still in my suit with my 9mm in a shoulder holster. Well, I started with the 3 min. blinks and on one extremely dark road the blue lights turned on behind me.

I pulled over and turned on my dome light and put down all the windows ( they are tinted). A Deputy had recently been shot during a night time stop and the BG's car had tinted windows. As the Officer approached I explained that I had a CCW and I was armed.

He asked where the weapon was and for both my CCW and DL. He than asked if I had been drinking and that I had been riding the line a little. I explained my situation and that I was really tired. He commented that I should not be driving in this condition and that my family would rather have me and not the money. Than with a grin he added,"I bet your awake now." He also thanked me for turning on the light and bid me good night. (of course a week later I was pulled over on the same road, did the same thing(dome light windows down), only this time I was speeding, and got a ticket.

As a side note, a few weeks later a family friend who worked in the service industry rolled his car and died because he fell asleep at the wheel. He also worked 80 hour weeks. I left the security biz and got a 9 to 5 job. (I still work PT at the club)[/i]

Snake-eater 1 · 03-20-2006, 05:12 PM

I was stopped twice this weekend, State Police and a County Mountie, checking out my inspection rejection sticker. Both times I turned off my vehicle, had my hands on the steering wheel and the window rolled down as they approached. I do not root around to get licenses and registration while the are approaching, they see you messing around and don't know why--makes them tense! Plenty of time to get the stuff they want after they ask for it. Anyway, I informed both right away that I have a CC License and did, in fact, have a firearm on me. They asked where: "on my right side". Neither asked me to move out of the car or anything else, just wanted to see license and registration. Both thanked me for advising them of the carry situation, both told me to have a nice day and they went on their way.

law_n_4_zer · 03-20-2006, 05:24 PM

+1 Snake-eater

I think that is the best move, hands on steering wheel, if an night flip on dome light, advise right away that you are armed or that there is a weapon in the car, if on your right side and wallet on right side let them know. Some may let you stay some may get you out of the car and do something else. All and All safest bet let them know before they see it and you havent told them.

JJ_Westbrook · 03-20-2006, 05:33 PM

I also work in the private security industry (and boy do I know about those long shifts). I am the Human Resources Manager for our Branch office, but I am also still registered with the state as a commissioned officer. Because of this and my experience, whenever we get requests for armed security I am always the one who either pulls the duty or at least heads it up.

Probably a year ago now, I was driving home from a job in a city about an hour away and though I was not dozing, I was ready to get home. As soon as I hit the city limits going out of town I set the cruise control on 60 mph and headed toward home. Little did I know that there was a small community just outside of town where the speed limit dropped to 45 mph. And, of course, I didn't learn this fact until it was too late. I noticed the lights behind me and pulled over. By the time the officer made it to my window, I had my DL and CCW (couldn't find my proof of insurance right away) in one and and both hands were on the wheel (yes, the dome light was on). He asked for the three items, and I handed him the two that I had (and had my state-issued ID card ready if he asked for it) and told him that there was a pistol in the truck (there were two actually, my CCW loaded in the console and my duty weapon unloaded in the back seat) and asked if he still wanted me to look for the paper. He said, "Don't worry about it, I'll be right back." He went and checked me out, came back and handed me my IDs, and asked me to slow down a bit and bid me a good night.

Again, there was no question of where the pistol was or anything else about it. I was very impressed with the way the officer handled it. He did not seem nervous or suspicious at all.

ncpilot · 03-20-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by law_n_4_zer

We are taught that if we see or are told that there is a weapon in the vehicle then the best thing is to separate the person from the place the weapon is

I gotta ask, and I've posed this question to my brother who is a Lt. in a large PD in the north, do you think that someone who volunteers they have a concealed weapon (whether the disclosure is legally required or not by that state), is really a risk?

Are there any documented cases where someone who is legally carrying a concealed weapon in a vehicle (or on their person) that has used it against an LEO?

What bothers me most about this issue is that an LEO may treat the person who volunteers they have a concealed weapon more carefully than a "regular" person that has not volunteered that info.

It just doesn't make sense... to me at least, because the greatest risk seems to be from the unknown, not the known...

BTW, my brother couldn't reply to my argument...

law_n_4_zer · 03-20-2006, 06:21 PM

I cant really comment since I am not a LEO yet, therefore I have never made a stop and been in this situation. Sorry

fireplug103 · 03-21-2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big kitchens

I have always wondered how a policeman reacts when you tell him you have a legal weapon in the car. Well I found out the other night. I left work for 30 min. to get something to eat at 8:00 pm, while leaving I forgot to turn my headlights on

. The area was well lit and I was late.
Half way back A policeman speeds up behind me and pulls me over. As soon as I saw the blue lights I figured out the problem and turned them on. I quickly turned on my dome light so he could see through the tint and not worry. When he walked up I had my license out (without unbuckling my seatbelt). I handed him my license and informed him I had a gun with permit. He stared at the permit for a good long while and then when back to his car and wrote a warning for driving without my lights on. He never asked why I carry or where it was located in the truck. I figured he would ask me to get out away from the weapon. But he didn't. I live in alabama where most have guns, so I guess it was no surprise to him.
My advice is to play it cool and put yourself in his shoes walking up on a strange car. I have a lot of respect for law enforcement and the situations they have to be put in everyday. I could have easily been someone with a person in the back cab waiting to shoot

where at in alabama?

green79f150 · 03-23-2006, 08:49 PM

BTDT on the long security shifts. Not worth the danger of hitting something hard. At $1.385 per hour? No. There are other, better ways to make a living/supplement your regular gig.

I actually enjoyed doing patrol on weekend graveyards for a while until it caught up with me and it didn't matter how much coffee I drank.

03-19-2006, 03:16 PM	#1
big kitchens XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Prattville Alabama Posts: 56	pulled over while having a 45 in the truck I have always wondered how a policeman reacts when you tell him you have a legal weapon in the car. Well I found out the other night. I left work for 30 min. to get something to eat at 8:00 pm, while leaving I forgot to turn my headlights on . The area was well lit and I was late. Half way back A policeman speeds up behind me and pulls me over. As soon as I saw the blue lights I figured out the problem and turned them on. I quickly turned on my dome light so he could see through the tint and not worry. When he walked up I had my license out (without unbuckling my seatbelt). I handed him my license and informed him I had a gun with permit. He stared at the permit for a good long while and then when back to his car and wrote a warning for driving without my lights on. He never asked why I carry or where it was located in the truck. I figured he would ask me to get out away from the weapon. But he didn't. I live in alabama where most have guns, so I guess it was no surprise to him. My advice is to play it cool and put yourself in his shoes walking up on a strange car. I have a lot of respect for law enforcement and the situations they have to be put in everyday. I could have easily been someone with a person in the back cab waiting to shoot __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Ronald Reagan

03-19-2006, 04:29 PM	#2
law_n_4_zer XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 272	I am not a LEO yet, I am currently in the academy. Being in Missouri it is legal to carry a weapon in your vehicle concealed without a CCW. This is a hot topic in our training. We are taught that if we see or are told that there is a weapon in the vehicle then the best thing is to separate the person from the place the weapon is at. i.e. if the gun is on the seat or in the glove box in the car, take the person out of the vehicle until you complete your stop. This eliminates the possibility of that person having access to that weapon during your stop. I will not comment on what the officer did with you because every situation is different and every stop is different. It is easy to sit back look at a situation and say that was wrong or that was right. I will not do that. I was not there and was not in that officers shoes. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Support our Troops Cental Ozarks Practical Shooters Range http://www.copsrange.org If it wasn't for stupid people I would not have job security

03-19-2006, 05:24 PM	#3
nick19 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 342	I was pulled over a few years ago very early in the AM. I was working a security job at a private club with lots of very long shifts. After one long 18 hour shift I was on my way home still in my suit with my 9mm in a shoulder holster. Well, I started with the 3 min. blinks and on one extremely dark road the blue lights turned on behind me. I pulled over and turned on my dome light and put down all the windows ( they are tinted). A Deputy had recently been shot during a night time stop and the BG's car had tinted windows. As the Officer approached I explained that I had a CCW and I was armed. He asked where the weapon was and for both my CCW and DL. He than asked if I had been drinking and that I had been riding the line a little. I explained my situation and that I was really tired. He commented that I should not be driving in this condition and that my family would rather have me and not the money. Than with a grin he added,"I bet your awake now." He also thanked me for turning on the light and bid me good night. (of course a week later I was pulled over on the same road, did the same thing(dome light windows down), only this time I was speeding, and got a ticket. As a side note, a few weeks later a family friend who worked in the service industry rolled his car and died because he fell asleep at the wheel. He also worked 80 hour weeks. I left the security biz and got a 9 to 5 job. (I still work PT at the club)[/i] __________________ “Indecision may or may not be my problem.”

03-20-2006, 05:12 PM	#4
Snake-eater 1 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Quinque, VA Posts: 2,653	I was stopped twice this weekend, State Police and a County Mountie, checking out my inspection rejection sticker. Both times I turned off my vehicle, had my hands on the steering wheel and the window rolled down as they approached. I do not root around to get licenses and registration while the are approaching, they see you messing around and don't know why--makes them tense! Plenty of time to get the stuff they want after they ask for it. Anyway, I informed both right away that I have a CC License and did, in fact, have a firearm on me. They asked where: "on my right side". Neither asked me to move out of the car or anything else, just wanted to see license and registration. Both thanked me for advising them of the carry situation, both told me to have a nice day and they went on their way. __________________ ----------------------------------------------- "Too soon, old. Too late, smart" anon

03-20-2006, 05:24 PM	#5
law_n_4_zer XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 272	+1 Snake-eater I think that is the best move, hands on steering wheel, if an night flip on dome light, advise right away that you are armed or that there is a weapon in the car, if on your right side and wallet on right side let them know. Some may let you stay some may get you out of the car and do something else. All and All safest bet let them know before they see it and you havent told them. __________________ Support our Troops Cental Ozarks Practical Shooters Range http://www.copsrange.org If it wasn't for stupid people I would not have job security

03-20-2006, 05:33 PM	#6
JJ_Westbrook XDTalk Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North East Arkansas Posts: 52	I also work in the private security industry (and boy do I know about those long shifts). I am the Human Resources Manager for our Branch office, but I am also still registered with the state as a commissioned officer. Because of this and my experience, whenever we get requests for armed security I am always the one who either pulls the duty or at least heads it up. Probably a year ago now, I was driving home from a job in a city about an hour away and though I was not dozing, I was ready to get home. As soon as I hit the city limits going out of town I set the cruise control on 60 mph and headed toward home. Little did I know that there was a small community just outside of town where the speed limit dropped to 45 mph. And, of course, I didn't learn this fact until it was too late. I noticed the lights behind me and pulled over. By the time the officer made it to my window, I had my DL and CCW (couldn't find my proof of insurance right away) in one and and both hands were on the wheel (yes, the dome light was on). He asked for the three items, and I handed him the two that I had (and had my state-issued ID card ready if he asked for it) and told him that there was a pistol in the truck (there were two actually, my CCW loaded in the console and my duty weapon unloaded in the back seat) and asked if he still wanted me to look for the paper. He said, "Don't worry about it, I'll be right back." He went and checked me out, came back and handed me my IDs, and asked me to slow down a bit and bid me a good night. Again, there was no question of where the pistol was or anything else about it. I was very impressed with the way the officer handled it. He did not seem nervous or suspicious at all. __________________ Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).

03-20-2006, 06:21 PM	#8
law_n_4_zer XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 272	I cant really comment since I am not a LEO yet, therefore I have never made a stop and been in this situation. Sorry __________________ Support our Troops Cental Ozarks Practical Shooters Range http://www.copsrange.org If it wasn't for stupid people I would not have job security

03-23-2006, 08:49 PM	#10
green79f150 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	BTDT on the long security shifts. Not worth the danger of hitting something hard. At $1.385 per hour? No. There are other, better ways to make a living/supplement your regular gig. I actually enjoyed doing patrol on weekend graveyards for a while until it caught up with me and it didn't matter how much coffee I drank. __________________ http://web.pdx.edu/~brande/sigphoto.jpg \"And these are our womenfolk...\"

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