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Jcobb · 03-01-2006, 12:11 PM

Im looking into getting a BUG. Per departmental regs, the weapon must meet a safety inspection, be of sufficient caliber (no minimum standards documented---all at discretion of the lead firearms instructor --LDFI), be able to qualify per departmental DUTY standards, and pass a safety carry inspection. In other words, the weapon and carry method must be cleared by the LDFI, AND qualification using same carry method is a must. I have opted to go for the off hand pocket carry method as I prefer not to have to carry in an ankle holster. Nothing wrong with ankle hoslters, but not what Im looking for in this case.

I have narrowed my options down to the following and would like your input if you have experience in this area:

Bersa .380

Keltec .380

Keltec 9mm

Most of all Im looking for easy operation, accuracy within 7 yards, and RELIABILITY.

What are your thoughts?

BBunin · 03-01-2006, 01:17 PM

Let me put it this way;
I've got a KelTec P3AT, a SW 642, and a Kahr PM9.
I carry the Kahr.

It's smaller than the airweight, more reliable than the Keltec, and more accurate than either.

I cannot say enough about the PM9 for a small hideaway BUG

danp · 03-01-2006, 02:23 PM

I've got a Bersa .380...I dunno how your department duty qualification is, But I routinely shoot posibles on ours with my XDs and I am pretty darn sure I couldn't pass it with the Bersa. Its a pretty good "get away from me" gun, but at 25 yards? I think you would be better served with a 2" revolver or a compact version of your duty sidearm if one is available.

Mike TRT · 03-01-2006, 02:55 PM

when I was carrying my Beretta 92, Id toss the Beretta 9000 on the ankle, as it accepts the full size 92 mags (with sleeve)......since I had the fullsize mags on me, I wanted the BUG to be compatible.......so obviously Ill be acquiring the XD 40 SC soon.......

Jcobb · 03-01-2006, 03:14 PM

Unfotunately for duty I have to carry the USP 40. The compact version isnt small enough for my needs. Ive heard the Kahrs are nice, but they are more than I wanted to spend right now. I may just have to suck it up and wait until I can afford one.

Mike TRT · 03-01-2006, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jcobb

Unfotunately for duty I have to carry the USP 40. The compact version isnt small enough for my needs. Ive heard the Kahrs are nice, but they are more than I wanted to spend right now. I may just have to suck it up and wait until I can afford one.

I hear ya....... I shot the USP once, not a huge fan and I know nada about the kahr, so Im useless to you.....sorry

If I cant have a mini of my fullsize, Id like to keep the same caliber anyway.....for what its worth.

HulkXD · 03-01-2006, 10:59 PM

Once again, I'm with Mr. TRT. The ability to carry the same caliber could be priceless to you. I, for one, am proud to say that I can carry right at a full box of ammo on my person at all times in uniform. That's security right there. I don't have to worry about needing to get back to the cruiser to reload when my three mags are empty.

Also, remember; your safety is priceless, as well. If you have to get the credit card out to get a piece that you are comfortable with, however you want to carry it, do it. If you wait until you can afford it, you may not need it, God forbid. The smallest .40 cal. I know of is the Kahr. It's a good weapon.

By the way, why not an ankle carry?

BBunin · 03-01-2006, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jcobb

Unfotunately for duty I have to carry the USP 40. The compact version isnt small enough for my needs. Ive heard the Kahrs are nice, but they are more than I wanted to spend right now. I may just have to suck it up and wait until I can afford one.

Kahr makes a PM40, too.
As to the price, you should be able to pick one up for around 500.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=44401553

A bit more than the KelTec, but, IMHO, a far better made pistol.

Jcobb · 03-02-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HulkXD

Once again, I'm with Mr. TRT. The ability to carry the same caliber could be priceless to you. I, for one, am proud to say that I can carry right at a full box of ammo on my person at all times in uniform. That's security right there. I don't have to worry about needing to get back to the cruiser to reload when my three mags are empty.

Also, remember; your safety is priceless, as well. If you have to get the credit card out to get a piece that you are comfortable with, however you want to carry it, do it. If you wait until you can afford it, you may not need it, God forbid. The smallest .40 cal. I know of is the Kahr. It's a good weapon.

By the way, why not an ankle carry?

Well, I agree that the ability to carry a BUG in the same caliber could be very valuable. I do not foresee ever having to strip rounds from any of my mags to load a BUG though. With 40 rounds (3-13 round mags and 1 in the pipe) that is close to a full box. If they ever run dry Im in deep **** anyway. The BUG to me is my "get off me" gun in the event of very close encounters. It is not intended to take the place of my duty weapon if it ever malfunctions. I am wanting something a little tamer than the .40 as my BUG due to the fact that I intend to use it solely as a weak hand weapon, and I am not as proficient weak hand as I need to be. As far as the ankle carry, as I stated earlier theres nothing wrong with it. I have a 2 inch j frame .38 that I regularly carry in an ankle holster. I am looking for a pocket gun to carry as a BUG and off duty. I wear shorts a lot of the time and an ankle holster isnt feasible for shorts. Off duty the BUG would supplement the XD 45 that I carry Off duty as well.

pfccypret · 03-02-2006, 12:44 PM

I carry a Kel-tec .380 and it's always worked fine for me.

Are there better options? Maybe, but I think my kel-tec is just fine.[/code]

03-01-2006, 12:11 PM	#1
Jcobb XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 145	BUG Options Im looking into getting a BUG. Per departmental regs, the weapon must meet a safety inspection, be of sufficient caliber (no minimum standards documented---all at discretion of the lead firearms instructor --LDFI), be able to qualify per departmental DUTY standards, and pass a safety carry inspection. In other words, the weapon and carry method must be cleared by the LDFI, AND qualification using same carry method is a must. I have opted to go for the off hand pocket carry method as I prefer not to have to carry in an ankle holster. Nothing wrong with ankle hoslters, but not what Im looking for in this case. I have narrowed my options down to the following and would like your input if you have experience in this area: Bersa .380 Keltec .380 Keltec 9mm Most of all Im looking for easy operation, accuracy within 7 yards, and RELIABILITY. What are your thoughts?

03-01-2006, 01:17 PM	#2
BBunin XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,029	Let me put it this way; I've got a KelTec P3AT, a SW 642, and a Kahr PM9. I carry the Kahr. It's smaller than the airweight, more reliable than the Keltec, and more accurate than either. I cannot say enough about the PM9 for a small hideaway BUG __________________ . When seconds count, the police are only five minutes away. ------------------------------------ MY PARTIAL TOY LIST XD-9 5" (Production) XD-40 5" (Limited10) SA 1911 Loaded (Limited10/SingleStack) STI Spartan (Limited10/SingleStack) Kahr PM9 (CCW) KT P3AT (CCW) Remington 11-87 (Trap) Remington 870 Express (HD/Trap) Misc Rifles for fun and hunting

03-01-2006, 02:23 PM	#3
danp XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 1,313	I've got a Bersa .380...I dunno how your department duty qualification is, But I routinely shoot posibles on ours with my XDs and I am pretty darn sure I couldn't pass it with the Bersa. Its a pretty good "get away from me" gun, but at 25 yards? I think you would be better served with a 2" revolver or a compact version of your duty sidearm if one is available. __________________ God made cops so that firefighters could have heros too. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Nietzche

03-01-2006, 02:55 PM	#4
Mike TRT XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,376	when I was carrying my Beretta 92, Id toss the Beretta 9000 on the ankle, as it accepts the full size 92 mags (with sleeve)......since I had the fullsize mags on me, I wanted the BUG to be compatible.......so obviously Ill be acquiring the XD 40 SC soon....... __________________ \"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man. And those who have hunted men long enough and liked it never cared for anything else thereafter.\"

03-01-2006, 10:59 PM	#7
HulkXD XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Doing Covert Ops somewhere in KY Posts: 642	Once again, I'm with Mr. TRT. The ability to carry the same caliber could be priceless to you. I, for one, am proud to say that I can carry right at a full box of ammo on my person at all times in uniform. That's security right there. I don't have to worry about needing to get back to the cruiser to reload when my three mags are empty. Also, remember; your safety is priceless, as well. If you have to get the credit card out to get a piece that you are comfortable with, however you want to carry it, do it. If you wait until you can afford it, you may not need it, God forbid. The smallest .40 cal. I know of is the Kahr. It's a good weapon. By the way, why not an ankle carry? __________________ You tell 'em I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me, you hear? Hell's coming with me! Shane Smash!!! What the deuce?

03-01-2006, 03:14 PM	#5
Jcobb XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 145	Unfotunately for duty I have to carry the USP 40. The compact version isnt small enough for my needs. Ive heard the Kahrs are nice, but they are more than I wanted to spend right now. I may just have to suck it up and wait until I can afford one.

03-02-2006, 12:44 PM	#10
pfccypret XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 40	I carry a Kel-tec .380 and it's always worked fine for me. Are there better options? Maybe, but I think my kel-tec is just fine.[/code]

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