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RobKong · 02-28-2006, 06:34 AM

Unbelievable....

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ALBANY - Sen. David Paterson is pushing a bill that would require cops to shoot to wound, rather than using deadly force - drawing outrage from officers.
The bill also would create a new provision for second-degree manslaughter that would be reserved specifically for an officer who "uses more than the minimal amount necessary" to stop a crime suspect.

Paterson, who is on Eliot Spitzer's ticket as lieutenant governor, has reintroduced the bill twice since first sponsoring it in 2001, refusing to let it die.

In a memo urging its passage, Paterson wrote: "There is no justification for terminating another's life when a less extreme measure may accomplish the same objective."

Current law gives cops a wide berth to use deadly force when a suspect presents a danger to another person's life.

Paterson (D-Harlem) wrote that a police officer, under his legislation, "would have to try toshoot a suspect in the arm or the leg."

"This bill shows absolutely no understanding of just how difficult it is for a police officer when they get into situations requiring the use of deadly force," John Grebert, director of the New York State Association of Chiefs of Police, told the Daily News.

His sentiment was echoed by Dan DeFedericis, president of the New York State Troopers PBA, who said: "We are definitely opposed to this bill ... and we strongly believe it could endanger the lives of police officers and innocent civilians."

While Spitzer already has the endorsement of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, that group's Albany lobbyist, John Poklemba, said, "This bill is very ill conceived. I can't imagine any police agencies not being opposed to it."

Paterson told The News last night that his bill would safeguard the public. He explained that he wrote the bill in response to the acquittal of four NYPD officers charged in the 1999 shooting death of the unarmed Amadou Diallo in the Bronx.

"Many people were surprised the officers weren't guilty of something, criminally negligent homicide or something that involved some negligence," he said. "I thought I was writing the bill that really mirrored what the department rules are."

A Spitzer spokesman declined to comment.

bd1 · 02-28-2006, 06:43 AM

He moved.

bd

jednp · 02-28-2006, 08:44 AM

next there will be a bill to require cops to shoot the gun out of someone's hand at a split seconds notice while the bad guy is running. If you can eliminate the gun from the situation then the threat is stopped.

Apdl · 02-28-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jednp

next there will be a bill to require cops to shoot the gun out of someone's hand at a split seconds notice while the bad guy is running. If you can eliminate the gun from the situation then the threat is stopped.

yea no ****

KYDoc · 02-28-2006, 10:26 AM

If the bill has been introduced twice before since 2001, it's probably because it keeps getting shot down.

jednp · 02-28-2006, 10:27 AM

I think so many people are completely clueless on how hard it is to hit a target dead center when you have time to take things slow and are calm. I think every govt official should have to walk down a dark hallway, with a gun that fires laser beams and have someone jump out of a doorway with a gun and have that lawmaker see how much he is startled by that, and see how good he shoots. Also, make sure he has done some running before that so he's worked up. I really wish damn movies would quit being viewed as the truth when it comes to shooting guns. I have gotten the human sillouette targets and tried shooting the arm, and half the time I completely miss.

This is one more reason to make sure you find out people's views on guns and situations like this before you cast your vote in elections. Dumb decisions like this, put the public at risk. The recent situation where the guy with CCW shot the person attacking that cop. 4 center mass shots didn't stop him, why would 1 shot to the arm or leg do it? In movies, it's always "just a flesh wound" and it will stop all threats. I don't know about all of you, but in the world I live in to stop a serious threat you need to immobilize them asap.

PeninaD · 02-28-2006, 10:29 AM

Not only won't this pass, the politician who proposed this sees that he can't win election with it, and will be repealing the propoal.

Or at least that is how the NYC press was reporting it this morning.

jednp · 02-28-2006, 10:35 AM

If I was able to vote for or against him, I'd vote against him purely on the basis that he even thought to introduce such a measure regardless of retracting it.

Waldo · 02-28-2006, 02:18 PM

When I shot someone I would say that it wasnt my fault he died because only a medical professional can determine the appropriate bullet placement in that situation.

If I shot someone in the head I would argue that the bad guy died of a genetic disorder. It's not my fault his skull wasnt thick enough to take a bullet.

RobKong · 02-28-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KYDoc

If the bill has been introduced twice before since 2001, it's probably because it keeps getting shot down.

The guy who keeps pushing for it is running for NY Lt Gov

02-28-2006, 10:26 AM	#5
KYDoc XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 1,025	Doubt it will pass, even in NY If the bill has been introduced twice before since 2001, it's probably because it keeps getting shot down.

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PeninaD XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PA Posts: 216	Not only won't this pass, the politician who proposed this sees that he can't win election with it, and will be repealing the propoal. Or at least that is how the NYC press was reporting it this morning. __________________ XD9 Service Marlin 336 Marlin 22mag

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02-28-2006, 06:43 AM	#2
bd1 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Western NC Posts: 626	He moved. bd

02-28-2006, 08:44 AM	#3
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	next there will be a bill to require cops to shoot the gun out of someone's hand at a split seconds notice while the bad guy is running. If you can eliminate the gun from the situation then the threat is stopped.

02-28-2006, 10:27 AM	#6
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	I think so many people are completely clueless on how hard it is to hit a target dead center when you have time to take things slow and are calm. I think every govt official should have to walk down a dark hallway, with a gun that fires laser beams and have someone jump out of a doorway with a gun and have that lawmaker see how much he is startled by that, and see how good he shoots. Also, make sure he has done some running before that so he's worked up. I really wish damn movies would quit being viewed as the truth when it comes to shooting guns. I have gotten the human sillouette targets and tried shooting the arm, and half the time I completely miss. This is one more reason to make sure you find out people's views on guns and situations like this before you cast your vote in elections. Dumb decisions like this, put the public at risk. The recent situation where the guy with CCW shot the person attacking that cop. 4 center mass shots didn't stop him, why would 1 shot to the arm or leg do it? In movies, it's always "just a flesh wound" and it will stop all threats. I don't know about all of you, but in the world I live in to stop a serious threat you need to immobilize them asap.

02-28-2006, 10:35 AM	#8
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	If I was able to vote for or against him, I'd vote against him purely on the basis that he even thought to introduce such a measure regardless of retracting it.