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Jettubby · 02-25-2006, 03:08 PM

Ohio State Trooper James Cress shot and killed drunken driving suspect Errol Baker II on Sunday. The entire incident was caught on tape by Trooper Cress's dashboard-mounted camera. For 82 seconds, Cress battled with Baker after pulling a gun he seemed hellbent on using. The trooper punched Baker several times, once causing him to drop the .45-caliber handgun. Baker retrieved the gun and fired, narrowly missing Cress. The trooper then grabbed his own gun, firing a fatal shot into Baker's head. The video released today seemed to dispel the Baker family belief that trooper Cress was unprovoked. Upon further search two bags of cocaine were found in Errol Baker's pocket. Baker had been previously indicted on one count of engaging in corrupt activity, 12 counts of trafficking in cocaine, one count of illegal manufacture of drugs, one count of discharging a firearm close to a home and two counts of possessing weapons as a felon.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2006/...hiotrooper.wmv

All I can say is what the (beep) was that guy doing out of prison?? He had a long rap sheet.

**R Dub** · 02-25-2006, 04:13 PM

Better eyes than mine are needed. I can only see what appears to be the trooper shooting the perp. Why doesn't the sound pick up the gun shots?

jdavionic · 02-25-2006, 04:42 PM

One less scum bag in the world

a911scanner · 02-25-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by R Dub

Better eyes than mine are needed. I can only see what appears to be the trooper shooting the perp. Why doesn't the sound pick up the gun shots?

I don't know about what you said there, maybe my eyes are better than yours, but here's what I saw.

1) Trooper asks subject to obey commands more than 3 times.

2) Trooper wrestles subject to the ground.

3) Subject contiues to not comply

4) Trooper punches subject many times, trying to protect self and get subject to obey

5) Trooper reachs into waistband and fires the fatal shot, at which point a small dark object flies out of subjects right hand.

Looks pretty cut & dry to me, but I'm not an LEO or attorney. Of course, I'm also not a "the criminal has rights" person either.

As for the sound, it is my understanding that the audio for these tapes is picked up by a lapel style mic. I suggest one of two things happened.

A) Lapel mic gets covered during stuggle, prohibiting the audio from getting through, which explains audio for first 20-30 seconds, then none.

B) (More likely the possibility) Whichever agency released this tape purposely deleted some of the audio for legal purposes. This therory also explains audio for the first 20-30 seconds, then none.

Either way, anyone that fights with a LEO, then somehow gets a deadly weapon in their hands while not complying with said LEO's commands, deserves EXACTLY what this guy got.

My $1.280's worth

Mark

Slotback · 02-26-2006, 03:22 PM

This stuff can all be enhanced in court if need be.

Mountain Cop · 02-26-2006, 03:42 PM

I haven't seen the video yet (stupid dial-up, I'm waiting to use the T connection at work tonight), but I have on initial question. If the bad guy had a gun, why waste time punching him? I don't want to Monday Morning QB him, but I certainly hope that is not the case. I worry that the current political atmosphere is making some LEOs hesitate a bit much before using proper force. I'm not saying it happened here, but in the video we were all looking at a while back of the Deputy who completely failed to engage until after he was shot at, I think it was a factor. Be careful out there guys. Don't worry about the lawyers, media or admin. Worry about you and getting home to your family.

Sorry about the rant, Now back to your regularly scheduled post.

MC

Jettubby · 02-26-2006, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Cop

I haven't seen the video yet (stupid dial-up, I'm waiting to use the T connection at work tonight), but I have on initial question. If the bad guy had a gun, why waste time punching him? I don't want to Monday Morning QB him, but I certainly hope that is not the case. I worry that the current political atmosphere is making some LEOs hesitate a bit much before using proper force. I'm not saying it happened here, but in the video we were all looking at a while back of the Deputy who completely failed to engage until after he was shot at, I think it was a factor. Be careful out there guys. Don't worry about the lawyers, media or admin. Worry about you and getting home to your family.

Sorry about the rant, Now back to your regularly scheduled post.

MC

When you see the video you will notice that the they were wrestling on the ground. The cop was using all his strength to overpower the guy. Once the cop got on top I think he hit him to try and settle him a bit. That didn't work so he drew and fired.

jednp · 02-26-2006, 07:32 PM

What I see is the subject rolling over, then the gun is knocked out of his hand and to me it appears at about that same time the trooper quickly fires a shot. Looks like the gun quickly comes out, almost looks like the trooper is just moving his hand there.. right before he appears to relax and his hands come off the guy. And to add more to it, I don't think the officer knew he had a gun at the time, until the guy was able to roll over and pulled it out. At about that instant is where I think I can see the officer shoot him, almost simultaneously with the gun getting tossed out of the suspects hand.

At 1:40 into the clip, you can see the officer draw his weapon. I think that's when he first noticed the gun. About 1:43 is when it appears he fires the shot into the suspect.

Mike TRT · 02-27-2006, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jettubby

All I can say is what the (beep) was that guy doing out of prison?? He had a long rap sheet.

last thursday I locked up a POS and his criminal history was 54 pages long..... 54 PAGES !!!! LOLOL just another waste of skin roaming the earth

hppd648 · 02-27-2006, 01:12 PM

my lapel mike has a noise cancelling feature similar to those on electrnic hearing protectors. A "pop" is heard for each shot but the supersonic crack is reduced.

Having the mike on your shirt pressed against the bad guy's body also does little to enhance the sound quality.

02-25-2006, 03:08 PM	#1
Jettubby XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 1,910	Shot And Killed By Ohio State Trooper Ohio State Trooper James Cress shot and killed drunken driving suspect Errol Baker II on Sunday. The entire incident was caught on tape by Trooper Cress's dashboard-mounted camera. For 82 seconds, Cress battled with Baker after pulling a gun he seemed hellbent on using. The trooper punched Baker several times, once causing him to drop the .45-caliber handgun. Baker retrieved the gun and fired, narrowly missing Cress. The trooper then grabbed his own gun, firing a fatal shot into Baker's head. The video released today seemed to dispel the Baker family belief that trooper Cress was unprovoked. Upon further search two bags of cocaine were found in Errol Baker's pocket. Baker had been previously indicted on one count of engaging in corrupt activity, 12 counts of trafficking in cocaine, one count of illegal manufacture of drugs, one count of discharging a firearm close to a home and two counts of possessing weapons as a felon. http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2006/...hiotrooper.wmv All I can say is what the (beep) was that guy doing out of prison?? He had a long rap sheet. __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln "My 1911 is better than your 911."

02-25-2006, 04:13 PM	#2
R Dub XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Last Frontier Posts: 3,621 Blog Entries: 1	Better eyes than mine are needed. I can only see what appears to be the trooper shooting the perp. Why doesn't the sound pick up the gun shots? __________________ Need XD Accessories? Support the XDTalk Sponsors. They support us! Need some competition? IDPA / USPSA

02-26-2006, 03:42 PM	#6
Mountain Cop XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Central California Posts: 201	I haven't seen the video yet (stupid dial-up, I'm waiting to use the T connection at work tonight), but I have on initial question. If the bad guy had a gun, why waste time punching him? I don't want to Monday Morning QB him, but I certainly hope that is not the case. I worry that the current political atmosphere is making some LEOs hesitate a bit much before using proper force. I'm not saying it happened here, but in the video we were all looking at a while back of the Deputy who completely failed to engage until after he was shot at, I think it was a factor. Be careful out there guys. Don't worry about the lawyers, media or admin. Worry about you and getting home to your family. Sorry about the rant, Now back to your regularly scheduled post. MC __________________ Guns don\'t kill people - the proper application of sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control kills people.

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02-25-2006, 04:42 PM	#3
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	One less scum bag in the world

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Slotback XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 120	This stuff can all be enhanced in court if need be.

02-26-2006, 07:32 PM	#8
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	What I see is the subject rolling over, then the gun is knocked out of his hand and to me it appears at about that same time the trooper quickly fires a shot. Looks like the gun quickly comes out, almost looks like the trooper is just moving his hand there.. right before he appears to relax and his hands come off the guy. And to add more to it, I don't think the officer knew he had a gun at the time, until the guy was able to roll over and pulled it out. At about that instant is where I think I can see the officer shoot him, almost simultaneously with the gun getting tossed out of the suspects hand. At 1:40 into the clip, you can see the officer draw his weapon. I think that's when he first noticed the gun. About 1:43 is when it appears he fires the shot into the suspect.

02-27-2006, 01:12 PM	#10
hppd648 XDTalk Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: High Point, NC Posts: 30	my lapel mike has a noise cancelling feature similar to those on electrnic hearing protectors. A "pop" is heard for each shot but the supersonic crack is reduced. Having the mike on your shirt pressed against the bad guy's body also does little to enhance the sound quality.