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40SWXDSHOOTER · 03-08-2007, 09:56 AM

That is the problem with a revolver, it is easier to use, but it takes so much more skill to reload a revolver, than a autoloader.
Around here I have a bunch of speed laoders, and snap caps for practice, and two big dogs, to give you time to reload.

Atomic · 03-08-2007, 04:42 PM

I suppose I should just get a handgun safe. I wouldn't mind the gun loaded all the time but with the kids around I don't.

40SWXDSHOOTER · 03-09-2007, 12:59 AM

That is a whole other story.
I beleve that the less you load and unload your gun the less chance you have of having an AD, so I never unload my carry guns, unless it's to clean them.
I have 2 small gun safes in my house to keep loaded carryguns in, and one in my truck to keep my carry gun in when I am at work, and a walk in gun safe to keep most of the other guns in, and two big dogs to let me know if I need a gun.
I know this dosen't work for everyone, but my child is 22, and has been around guns, and shooting since she was 7 or 8.
I guess I have it kinda good, I have a grown child, my wife dosen't mind when I leave my loaded gun on the dinning room table, or nightstand, or drop it in her purse if I want to have a drink when we go out (she has a carry permit also), and I park in a police department parking lot when I go to work.
If I was you I would get a safe. If you want PM me and I could send you links for the ones I have.

dsump · 03-11-2007, 08:44 AM

When I was in the Army at 18yrs old I was too eak with my off hand to pull the charging handle back on my M16 when I had to do, "Inspection Arms". I then had a Drill Instructor show and tell me this: I hope it can explain in words. With the lower hand (one on the grip) you will push it toward the front of the gun. With the other hand (one on the slide for pistols) you will push it toward the rear of the gun. AT THE SAME TIME, make both of the movements, actually crossing hand over hand. When making this action you must have your elbow parallel to the ground. After I practiced this I could not believe how easy it was to charge the slide. I could do it without any thought after I figured it out. Getting a smaller gun or different spring shouldnt be the fix. I beleive in propert technique. By doing this, it corrected my failure of keeping the lower grip still while only trying to pull back the slide.

I think Para ORG somewhat described this.

DLE88 · 03-12-2007, 06:04 AM

Not to be a butt, but it ain't that hard to rock a slide on a new XD or an AR. I'm in no way built like Arnold, but I have no trouble racking the slide on my Tact XD45 or charging the charging handle on my RRA.

Atomic · 03-12-2007, 04:25 PM

We worked with it again a couple of nights ago and she was able to find a way to do it. I grip it with my off hand between my first finger and thumb and pull it back like that. Sometimes I'll bring my off hand over where my fingers (three of them) are on the strong side and my thumb is on the off hand side griping it with the meat of my hand and slide it back like that. I showed her that because it's like butter doing it that way for me. That didn't work for her and she fliped her off hand around and was able to rack it.

Now if we only had a range nearby.

GrovenSpringer · 04-07-2007, 08:54 PM

Try this. It worked for my daughter and her XD9SC. With the gun in the strong hand firing grip, lay it over "Gangsta" style with your arm bent slightly and the gun laying over on its left side. Then with the "off" or "support" hand grip the rear portion of the slide with your fingers on the underside/left side of the slide and your thumb on the "top" or "right" side of the gun. Then at the same time push the gun forward with the "strong" hand and pull the slide back with the "support" hand. Practice and I think you will find it to be very effective. Also look up the Isreali sidearm drill (It has a more accurate name, but I can't remember it!). It was developed by and American for the Isreali army if I'm not mistaken. It was for soldiers who carried sidearms that did not have a round chambered. Happy shooting!

hardwarz · 04-10-2007, 08:23 AM

My HK USC .40 is sooooo sliky smooth to rack the slide to the rear. Much easier than my XD 9mm SC and the breach is held shut better. The 2 state spring on the HK is a better design. Initial spring is stronger. Can someone make this for the XD SC?

Hardwarz

CanyonJack · 04-10-2007, 07:44 PM

I had my wife shoot my XD45 and my 9mm Ruger. Basically she was not totally comfortable with "all the moving parts". I've tried a couple more times to show her different ways to rack the slide, release the slide when inserting the full mag., use different gripping techniques, etc.
The bottom line is I bought her a S&W Model 642 for Christmas and she loves it! She has about 200 rds thru it and shoots eight inch groups at 7 yds consistently. Offered to buy her an XD 9mm Tactical for the range hoping she might enjoy some competition eventually but, "No thanks, I love my little gun."
Soooo.....you know what? I think she is right! I feel comfortable with her carrying the S&W as long as she continues to go the the range every couple weeks to keep up her skill level. And she seems to enjoy that.
FWIW she does use the speed loader at the range, however, I have never seen her slip it into her "carry" purse. Five quickly fired, well placed shots are better than the hesitation that comes from her apprehension of the "complexity" of the semi-auto IMHO.
Personally, I dislike the looooong trigger pull of the S&W. But, it ain't my gun and I can't shoot it as well as she can.

BoomerBSG · 04-10-2007, 09:55 PM

http://www.corneredcat.com/RunGun/rack.aspx

03-11-2007, 08:44 AM	#24
dsump XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 270	When I was in the Army at 18yrs old I was too eak with my off hand to pull the charging handle back on my M16 when I had to do, "Inspection Arms". I then had a Drill Instructor show and tell me this: I hope it can explain in words. With the lower hand (one on the grip) you will push it toward the front of the gun. With the other hand (one on the slide for pistols) you will push it toward the rear of the gun. AT THE SAME TIME, make both of the movements, actually crossing hand over hand. When making this action you must have your elbow parallel to the ground. After I practiced this I could not believe how easy it was to charge the slide. I could do it without any thought after I figured it out. Getting a smaller gun or different spring shouldnt be the fix. I beleive in propert technique. By doing this, it corrected my failure of keeping the lower grip still while only trying to pull back the slide. I think Para ORG somewhat described this. Last edited by dsump; 03-11-2007 at 08:47 AM.

04-07-2007, 08:54 PM	#27
GrovenSpringer XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 171	Try this. It worked for my daughter and her XD9SC. With the gun in the strong hand firing grip, lay it over "Gangsta" style with your arm bent slightly and the gun laying over on its left side. Then with the "off" or "support" hand grip the rear portion of the slide with your fingers on the underside/left side of the slide and your thumb on the "top" or "right" side of the gun. Then at the same time push the gun forward with the "strong" hand and pull the slide back with the "support" hand. Practice and I think you will find it to be very effective. Also look up the Isreali sidearm drill (It has a more accurate name, but I can't remember it!). It was developed by and American for the Isreali army if I'm not mistaken. It was for soldiers who carried sidearms that did not have a round chambered. Happy shooting! __________________ You really should take me seriously, I have eleven reasons why you should! Ron Paul for president!

04-10-2007, 07:44 PM	#29
CanyonJack XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Near Prescott, AZ Posts: 101	I had my wife shoot my XD45 and my 9mm Ruger. Basically she was not totally comfortable with "all the moving parts". I've tried a couple more times to show her different ways to rack the slide, release the slide when inserting the full mag., use different gripping techniques, etc. The bottom line is I bought her a S&W Model 642 for Christmas and she loves it! She has about 200 rds thru it and shoots eight inch groups at 7 yds consistently. Offered to buy her an XD 9mm Tactical for the range hoping she might enjoy some competition eventually but, "No thanks, I love my little gun." Soooo.....you know what? I think she is right! I feel comfortable with her carrying the S&W as long as she continues to go the the range every couple weeks to keep up her skill level. And she seems to enjoy that. FWIW she does use the speed loader at the range, however, I have never seen her slip it into her "carry" purse. Five quickly fired, well placed shots are better than the hesitation that comes from her apprehension of the "complexity" of the semi-auto IMHO. Personally, I dislike the looooong trigger pull of the S&W. But, it ain't my gun and I can't shoot it as well as she can. __________________ SA XD-9 Tactical (Springer Precision comp trigger job and Dawson sights!) SA XD-45 Compact (TLR-1) a few long guns

04-10-2007, 09:55 PM	#30
BoomerBSG XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: houston Posts: 1,427	http://www.corneredcat.com/RunGun/rack.aspx __________________ Colt Combat Commander, Colt Defender 1911, SIG P239 9mm, Beretta M9 (wifes), Winchester Defender 12 gauge, Mossberg Maverick 88 12 gauge, Mosin Nagant M44, Bersa .380 Running around the house half blind tripping over My Little Ponies and hollaring "Where's the bathroom?" is not a tactical look. -Scotton

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03-08-2007, 09:56 AM	#21
40SWXDSHOOTER XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 891	That is the problem with a revolver, it is easier to use, but it takes so much more skill to reload a revolver, than a autoloader. Around here I have a bunch of speed laoders, and snap caps for practice, and two big dogs, to give you time to reload.

03-08-2007, 04:42 PM	#22
Atomic XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9	I suppose I should just get a handgun safe. I wouldn't mind the gun loaded all the time but with the kids around I don't.

03-09-2007, 12:59 AM	#23
40SWXDSHOOTER XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 891	That is a whole other story. I beleve that the less you load and unload your gun the less chance you have of having an AD, so I never unload my carry guns, unless it's to clean them. I have 2 small gun safes in my house to keep loaded carryguns in, and one in my truck to keep my carry gun in when I am at work, and a walk in gun safe to keep most of the other guns in, and two big dogs to let me know if I need a gun. I know this dosen't work for everyone, but my child is 22, and has been around guns, and shooting since she was 7 or 8. I guess I have it kinda good, I have a grown child, my wife dosen't mind when I leave my loaded gun on the dinning room table, or nightstand, or drop it in her purse if I want to have a drink when we go out (she has a carry permit also), and I park in a police department parking lot when I go to work. If I was you I would get a safe. If you want PM me and I could send you links for the ones I have.

03-12-2007, 06:04 AM	#25
DLE88 XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: WAFB Posts: 97	Not to be a butt, but it ain't that hard to rock a slide on a new XD or an AR. I'm in no way built like Arnold, but I have no trouble racking the slide on my Tact XD45 or charging the charging handle on my RRA.

03-12-2007, 04:25 PM	#26
Atomic XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9	We worked with it again a couple of nights ago and she was able to find a way to do it. I grip it with my off hand between my first finger and thumb and pull it back like that. Sometimes I'll bring my off hand over where my fingers (three of them) are on the strong side and my thumb is on the off hand side griping it with the meat of my hand and slide it back like that. I showed her that because it's like butter doing it that way for me. That didn't work for her and she fliped her off hand around and was able to rack it. Now if we only had a range nearby.

04-10-2007, 08:23 AM	#28
hardwarz XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ak-Rowdy, North side Summit County (Akron, OH) Posts: 378	My HK USC .40 is sooooo sliky smooth to rack the slide to the rear. Much easier than my XD 9mm SC and the breach is held shut better. The 2 state spring on the HK is a better design. Initial spring is stronger. Can someone make this for the XD SC? Hardwarz