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ninjadroid · 08-18-2005, 11:28 PM

Howdy y'all.

Got my XD about a month ago and have taken it shooting weekly. For my first outing, I put 500 rounds of Rem UMC through it without issue. Cleaned, lubed, and went back a week later with 250 rounds of WWB and got a handful of FTEs. Suspected my cleaning job (this is my first gun), so I gussied it up with much vigor, and took it back a week later with 300 rounds of WWB --- got a slightly larger handful of FTEs. My shooting partner suggested it might be a bad mag, so we marked 'em, gave the XD the ol' once over, and went back to the range a week later (today) with 200 rounds of WWB --- got even more FTEs, spread across two mags, with one mag having 3 FTEs during the course of fire.

Yeah, damn.

Anyway, we're going back tomorrow with both some UMC and WWB in hand for testing. Details as they develop...

NewXD40fun · 08-19-2005, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjadroid

Howdy y'all.

Got my XD about a month ago and have taken it shooting weekly. For my first outing, I put 500 rounds of Rem UMC through it without issue. Cleaned, lubed, and went back a week later with 250 rounds of WWB and got a handful of FTEs. Suspected my cleaning job (this is my first gun), so I gussied it up with much vigor, and took it back a week later with 300 rounds of WWB --- got a slightly larger handful of FTEs. My shooting partner suggested it might be a bad mag, so we marked 'em, gave the XD the ol' once over, and went back to the range a week later (today) with 200 rounds of WWB --- got even more FTEs, spread across two mags, with one mag having 3 FTEs during the course of fire.
Yeah, damn.
Anyway, we're going back tomorrow with both some UMC and WWB in hand for testing. Details as they develop...

Document every detail!

I had failure to fire and failure to feed problems on my new XD40. The first question Springfield will ask you when you call them is "what brand of ammunition did you use?" So document each failure with the appropriate brand of ammo. And try every brand of ammo you can get.

When you end up sending it back to Springfield for repair you should include a detailed report of the failures. I wish I would have thought to take pictures of my XD failures at the time.

I sent my XD back, had if 'fixed' and it failed again, in a different manner, but it still failed again so I sent it back again. I'm still waiting for it.

Returning a firearm via UPS or FedEx is very expensive ~$60!! Springfield will usually reimburse you for the shipping or give you their shipping account number, either way you will be without your XD for at least two weeks.

Tom

R/T Performance · 08-19-2005, 07:26 AM

Sounds like an extractor or case rim problem

ninjadroid · 08-19-2005, 09:22 AM

Haven't gone shooting yet, but I took a closer look at the extractor this morning, and noticed that the inside of the bend appeared to be curved. Which, obviously, can't be right. I found a toothpick and poked around in there, and discovered it to be just *packed* with gunk. Hopefully, that's all that's at play here, but we shall see.

ninjadroid · 08-19-2005, 09:08 PM

Todays performance was better, but not good enough. 15 rounds of WWB went fine, and all but one round in the last mag of 250 rounds of UMC were without issue. Still, 1 in 265 is not acceptable.

I gave the gun as thorough a field-strip cleaning as I can tonight. Tomorrow, there will be another trip to the range. Planning on 250 more rounds of UMC, 300 rounds of WWB, and 50-100 rounds of TBD "Good Stuff."

I haven't been testing the weapon scientifically, which is to say that I can't yet confidently say what is causing the failure. My gut tells me that the extractor is weak, that dirtiness makes it even weaker, and that the extractor doesn't "like" WWB for some indeterminate reason.

Tomorrow will be a "blank slate." The gun is damn clean. We will interweave mags of UMC and WWB to normalize any effects the accretion of filth might have. The "Good Stuff" should be a test for the combat readiness of the gun --- you wouldn't bet your life on cheap ammo, so if the guns FTE problems turn out to be real, but limited to cheap ammo, then it is still a worthy choice for combat. At least, that's how the theory goes.

At this point, I rate the likelihood that the gun will go out to Springfield to be near-certainty. The possibility that it is operator error is now vanishingly small, and any FTEs tomorrow will confirm this. And even if the giving the extractor extra squeaky-clean TLC eliminates my woes, the gun will probably still get shipped out for repair; I don't think it unreasonable to expect my weapon to handle 1K rounds before cleaning is required.

Stay tuned, kids --- same Bat-Time, same Bat-Channel.

**agalindo** · 08-20-2005, 06:29 AM

I go shooting with a friend who always has FTE with WWB 9mm. Blazers and Remington work fine in this gun be WWB will always have some fail to eject. Even his reloads with WWB brass have trouble ejecting. He shoots a Hi Power. On the other hand my XD .40 has no problems with WWB.

XdSniper · 08-22-2005, 01:33 PM

Never had a problem shooting WWB through my xd9...

ninjadroid · 08-22-2005, 06:57 PM

Well, the results are in. My extractor needs repair. Out of 570 rounds fired, there were 8 FTEs --- 4 with WWB, and 4 with UMC. There was no discernable magazine-to-failure correlation. And off to SA it goes.

Megaaaaaaaaaaan!

LUV2SHOOT · 09-04-2005, 03:29 PM

All I can say is my XD9 chokes and pukes (fte) 1-2 rounds out of every box of WWB. I was going to send it back but got some Blazer and went through 250 rounds in one session with zero problems. What really surprises me is it has the same problem on the Ranger rounds also. This is primo stuff with nickel cases and all. But put 124 gr. +p Gold Dots in and it chews em up and spits em out all day. I called SA and for once they didn't offer to pay for shipping. Said if it was the guns fault they would reimburse me. Guess it must be starting to cut into their bottom line to ship guns. For what it costs to ship it I can have my gunsmith look a it and probably fix it for less. I know some guns don't like some ammo. But most every gun I own (Sig , Glock, H&K, CZ, various 1911's, and so on) will all feed everything. I can live with Blazer and Gold Dots. I just really like the Rangers.

gsfmiker · 10-01-2005, 05:04 PM

i've put 2300 rounds through my xd9 service, and all but 50 rounds have been WWB. Not one failure. Ever. I love this gun! Sorry about your probs though

08-18-2005, 11:28 PM	#1
ninjadroid XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 57	XD9 FTE, potential WWB link Howdy y'all. Got my XD about a month ago and have taken it shooting weekly. For my first outing, I put 500 rounds of Rem UMC through it without issue. Cleaned, lubed, and went back a week later with 250 rounds of WWB and got a handful of FTEs. Suspected my cleaning job (this is my first gun), so I gussied it up with much vigor, and took it back a week later with 300 rounds of WWB --- got a slightly larger handful of FTEs. My shooting partner suggested it might be a bad mag, so we marked 'em, gave the XD the ol' once over, and went back to the range a week later (today) with 200 rounds of WWB --- got even more FTEs, spread across two mags, with one mag having 3 FTEs during the course of fire. Yeah, damn. Anyway, we're going back tomorrow with both some UMC and WWB in hand for testing. Details as they develop...

08-19-2005, 07:26 AM	#3
R/T Performance XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saranac Mi Posts: 3,491	Sounds like an extractor or case rim problem __________________ XD-9 Tacticle Tru-glow tfo's 3# Canyoncreek trigger Dillon Rl550 1911 Springfield Champion loaded 45 acp Kahr p40 Watch me shoot http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32660329653237

10-01-2005, 05:04 PM	#10
gsfmiker XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 245	i've put 2300 rounds through my xd9 service, and all but 50 rounds have been WWB. Not one failure. Ever. I love this gun! Sorry about your probs though __________________ --Mike Black XD9 Service Bi-tone XD9 SC Green Kel-tec P3AT 8-shot Mossberg 500 SP w/ pistol grip What don't these Politicians understand about the term "ILLEGAL ALIEN"? Enough of this "Unauthorized Migrant" and "Undocumented Worker" crap!

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08-19-2005, 09:22 AM	#4
ninjadroid XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 57	Haven't gone shooting yet, but I took a closer look at the extractor this morning, and noticed that the inside of the bend appeared to be curved. Which, obviously, can't be right. I found a toothpick and poked around in there, and discovered it to be just packed with gunk. Hopefully, that's all that's at play here, but we shall see.

08-19-2005, 09:08 PM	#5
ninjadroid XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 57	Todays performance was better, but not good enough. 15 rounds of WWB went fine, and all but one round in the last mag of 250 rounds of UMC were without issue. Still, 1 in 265 is not acceptable. I gave the gun as thorough a field-strip cleaning as I can tonight. Tomorrow, there will be another trip to the range. Planning on 250 more rounds of UMC, 300 rounds of WWB, and 50-100 rounds of TBD "Good Stuff." I haven't been testing the weapon scientifically, which is to say that I can't yet confidently say what is causing the failure. My gut tells me that the extractor is weak, that dirtiness makes it even weaker, and that the extractor doesn't "like" WWB for some indeterminate reason. Tomorrow will be a "blank slate." The gun is damn clean. We will interweave mags of UMC and WWB to normalize any effects the accretion of filth might have. The "Good Stuff" should be a test for the combat readiness of the gun --- you wouldn't bet your life on cheap ammo, so if the guns FTE problems turn out to be real, but limited to cheap ammo, then it is still a worthy choice for combat. At least, that's how the theory goes. At this point, I rate the likelihood that the gun will go out to Springfield to be near-certainty. The possibility that it is operator error is now vanishingly small, and any FTEs tomorrow will confirm this. And even if the giving the extractor extra squeaky-clean TLC eliminates my woes, the gun will probably still get shipped out for repair; I don't think it unreasonable to expect my weapon to handle 1K rounds before cleaning is required. Stay tuned, kids --- same Bat-Time, same Bat-Channel.

08-22-2005, 01:33 PM	#7
XdSniper XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 47	Never had a problem shooting WWB through my xd9...

08-22-2005, 06:57 PM	#8
ninjadroid XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 57	Well, the results are in. My extractor needs repair. Out of 570 rounds fired, there were 8 FTEs --- 4 with WWB, and 4 with UMC. There was no discernable magazine-to-failure correlation. And off to SA it goes. Megaaaaaaaaaaan!

09-04-2005, 03:29 PM	#9
LUV2SHOOT XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	All I can say is my XD9 chokes and pukes (fte) 1-2 rounds out of every box of WWB. I was going to send it back but got some Blazer and went through 250 rounds in one session with zero problems. What really surprises me is it has the same problem on the Ranger rounds also. This is primo stuff with nickel cases and all. But put 124 gr. +p Gold Dots in and it chews em up and spits em out all day. I called SA and for once they didn't offer to pay for shipping. Said if it was the guns fault they would reimburse me. Guess it must be starting to cut into their bottom line to ship guns. For what it costs to ship it I can have my gunsmith look a it and probably fix it for less. I know some guns don't like some ammo. But most every gun I own (Sig , Glock, H&K, CZ, various 1911's, and so on) will all feed everything. I can live with Blazer and Gold Dots. I just really like the Rangers.