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XDFirefighter · 07-30-2007, 02:18 PM

i went to the range today adn find out my rear site is way off i am tatally shooting to the right and i am a right handed shooter. so i look at the site and the rear one is moved i dont knwo how it happened so the question i have is how do i make sure it is straight inline with the front. i am using a brass punch and a brasshammer to mave teh site to the left. just checking to see if there a way to place it perfect inline

**agalindo** · 07-30-2007, 03:17 PM

There are alignment marks on the slide. The red arrow is rough but you can see the marks.

Liquid Rhino · 07-31-2007, 01:36 PM

Hmm.. This one's interesting, let us know how it works if you do shift the sights a bit...

I'm having a similar issue where I feel my rear sights may be off as well. I'm a lefty and I'm shooting significantly off to the left when I center in on my sights, but most probably it's just me twitching slightly from my trigger finger's pull.

Strange thing is, when a friend of mine (righty, shoots often w/ his XD9) tried my XD45c and had the same "off-to-the-left" results consistently, but when I brought my Dad (also righty, he was a competition target shooter back in the day) to the range last time, he was able to hit with dead-on accuracy and said the sights were fine.

**agalindo** · 07-31-2007, 02:02 PM

If you look at the sights you should be able to tell if they are off center. Look at the alignment lines they should be evenly spaced on both ends.

Liquid Rhino · 08-03-2007, 09:15 AM

Even though I'm sure I still have ALOT to learn in regards to my trigger pull (and possibly grip itself), I'm certain my sights (TFO's) have to be off... After 500rds with this XD45, always hitting center mass with really decent groups but have NEVER landed a shot in the dead center, always off to the left (inner rib area) at 7-10yrds. At 15-25, It's so off to the left that I barely hit the outline, sometimes even the paper itself!

After looking at my slide last night this is what I found (the illustration isn't accuarate to my actual slide, but you get the point):

Notice the difference in distance from the actual sight edge to each alignment guide is not the equal.

It's frustrating to say the least, I'm planning on tapping my sights a bit tonight before hitting the range tomorrow morning.

scalce · 08-03-2007, 10:53 AM

If your rear site drawing is accurate with the back of the slide being on the bottom, then you would be hitting right and not left.

You move the rear site in the direction that you want the bullets to go.

The front could be screwing it up if it is pushed to the right though. It should have been centered as you are not supposed to mess with the front.

You didn't explain the orientation of your pics so I'm not sure.

Liquid Rhino · 08-03-2007, 11:54 AM

Scalce, I agree that the front shouldn't in most cases be touched at all, but I don't think they're centered correctly to begin with (by the installer), nor is the illustration accurate or correctly oriented as in my actual case. It was just a visual example of what I was trying to point out in the uneven difference in distance that the outer edges of the sight's base have vs. the slide's alignment guides.

I'll try to get a detailed top-down photo of my actual sights a bit later today when I get home (since I don't have the piece or a camera with me here), as it may prove more useful along with your collective input in debunking this alignment issue.

What I was trying to find out with the diagram was the following: If it's safe to assume that the theoretical center between the slide's alignment guides lands in the dead center of the barrel, then would you agree that although the TFO's base have a different width (they're thinner in both front & rear) than the stock dots' base, their edge's distance from the alignment guides should still be equal on both sides to be centered w/ the barrel? Please advise!

scalce · 08-03-2007, 12:55 PM

Yeah I agree if the fronts are off you may as well tap them and center them before adjusting the rear.

So you definately had other people shoot it from a bench or bag right?

I have TFOs too so I'll take a look at mine when I get home.

jeff221 · 08-03-2007, 12:58 PM

a wooden doll rod works well for moving the sights too, it tends to be less "harse" on the sight then the brass punch. It will slowly get destroyed, but it works great.

I've both removed & installed my TFO's with a wooden rod from a hobby shop.

Liquid Rhino · 08-03-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalce

So you definitely had other people shoot it from a bench or bag right?

Yes, we both shot using the bench for testing. Shots were consistently off to the left.
Awesome, thanks for checking your TFO's, Scalce... That would certainly help a ton!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff221

a wooden doll rod works well for moving the sights too...

Jeff, That's a good idea! I'll give it a shot, as it sounds like it won't mar the surface as much as the punch might.

07-30-2007, 02:18 PM	#1
XDFirefighter XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 14	Rear site i went to the range today adn find out my rear site is way off i am tatally shooting to the right and i am a right handed shooter. so i look at the site and the rear one is moved i dont knwo how it happened so the question i have is how do i make sure it is straight inline with the front. i am using a brass punch and a brasshammer to mave teh site to the left. just checking to see if there a way to place it perfect inline

08-03-2007, 09:15 AM	#5
Liquid Rhino XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: three\|zero\|five Posts: 910	Even though I'm sure I still have ALOT to learn in regards to my trigger pull (and possibly grip itself), I'm certain my sights (TFO's) have to be off... After 500rds with this XD45, always hitting center mass with really decent groups but have NEVER landed a shot in the dead center, always off to the left (inner rib area) at 7-10yrds. At 15-25, It's so off to the left that I barely hit the outline, sometimes even the paper itself! After looking at my slide last night this is what I found (the illustration isn't accuarate to my actual slide, but you get the point): Notice the difference in distance from the actual sight edge to each alignment guide is not the equal. It's frustrating to say the least, I'm planning on tapping my sights a bit tonight before hitting the range tomorrow morning. __________________ Keepin' It Real Since '79...

08-03-2007, 11:54 AM	#7
Liquid Rhino XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: three\|zero\|five Posts: 910	Scalce, I agree that the front shouldn't in most cases be touched at all, but I don't think they're centered correctly to begin with (by the installer), nor is the illustration accurate or correctly oriented as in my actual case. It was just a visual example of what I was trying to point out in the uneven difference in distance that the outer edges of the sight's base have vs. the slide's alignment guides. I'll try to get a detailed top-down photo of my actual sights a bit later today when I get home (since I don't have the piece or a camera with me here), as it may prove more useful along with your collective input in debunking this alignment issue. What I was trying to find out with the diagram was the following: If it's safe to assume that the theoretical center between the slide's alignment guides lands in the dead center of the barrel, then would you agree that although the TFO's base have a different width (they're thinner in both front & rear) than the stock dots' base, their edge's distance from the alignment guides should* still be equal on both sides to be centered w/ the barrel? Please advise! __________________ Keepin' It Real Since '79...*

08-03-2007, 12:58 PM	#9
jeff221 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 2,364	a wooden doll rod works well for moving the sights too, it tends to be less "harse" on the sight then the brass punch. It will slowly get destroyed, but it works great. I've both removed & installed my TFO's with a wooden rod from a hobby shop. __________________ Springfield XD40 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone (.40S&W) Springfield XD9 Tactical Black (9mm) Springfield G.I. Milspec Stainless 1911-A1 (.45 ACP) Kimber Raptor II 1911 (.45 ACP) Kel-Tec P-3AT (.380 ACP) Charter Arms "Off Duty" Revolver (.38 Spl) Ruger 22/45 Mark III (.22 LR) Smith&Wesson M&P15A 16in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) BushMaster Carbon-15 (.22 LR) BushMaster XM15 E2S 20in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) Stoeger P350 Tactical Pump Shotgun (12 Gauge) Winchester Black Model98 Canon (10 Gauge)

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07-31-2007, 01:36 PM	#3
Liquid Rhino XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: three\|zero\|five Posts: 910	Hmm.. This one's interesting, let us know how it works if you do shift the sights a bit... I'm having a similar issue where I feel my rear sights may be off as well. I'm a lefty and I'm shooting significantly off to the left when I center in on my sights, but most probably it's just me twitching slightly from my trigger finger's pull. Strange thing is, when a friend of mine (righty, shoots often w/ his XD9) tried my XD45c and had the same "off-to-the-left" results consistently, but when I brought my Dad (also righty, he was a competition target shooter back in the day) to the range last time, he was able to hit with dead-on accuracy and said the sights were fine.

08-03-2007, 10:53 AM	#6
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	If your rear site drawing is accurate with the back of the slide being on the bottom, then you would be hitting right and not left. You move the rear site in the direction that you want the bullets to go. The front could be screwing it up if it is pushed to the right though. It should have been centered as you are not supposed to mess with the front. You didn't explain the orientation of your pics so I'm not sure.

08-03-2007, 12:55 PM	#8
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	Yeah I agree if the fronts are off you may as well tap them and center them before adjusting the rear. So you definately had other people shoot it from a bench or bag right? I have TFOs too so I'll take a look at mine when I get home.