Lights For Ccw And Law Enforcement

[XDONBOARD]

Thanks watchmaker, your insight has been incredible and you just sold me on a fenix t-1. Ive been struggling on what to pick up and your review sealed it. I also want to pick up a bear cub before the end of the year for my tac bag.

[watchmaker]

More on the Fenix T-1

I need my lights to be waterproof. So, I placed the Fenix T-1 in a vase full of water, with the ligh on in the 60 lumens setting, and left it there for four hours.



No water got inside the light.

Yes, I know, this is a mild test, but now in winter, all the pools are closed and the pond is frozen.

Cheers
Watchmaker

[rgeliske]

Originally Posted by FOP4INAL

I am interested in a flashlight with a strobe. Any suggestions?

I just got a Fenix P3D 215 Lumen, Strobe, and SOS for $64.50 but I think they just went up to $67.50. It is one very impressive light.
https://www.fenix-store.com/product_...roducts_id=358

[watchmaker]

THE FENIX P3D
FLASHLIGHT


I have purchased yet another light of the Fenix line. The new torch is the Fenix P3D, a multi-level light running on two 123 batteries.
The P3D I bought uses a premium (Q5) Cree 7090 XR-E LED. The light is digitally regulated and has six levels of illumination.

There are two modes of output that are selected by turning the bezel. The general mode is: 12 lumens for 65 hours, by softly pressing the switch; the second mode will be 53 lumens for 13 hours; pressing again will put you in the 120 lumen mode for 4.8 hours; and again will access the SOS mode (also 120 lumens).
By turning the bezel you can access the turbo mode at 205 lumens, and pressing again softly on the switch will put you in the strobe mode of 205 lumens.

The light has a low battery indicator. The indicator will strobe the light in low, very fast light; I had opportunity to test this when I put two inexpensive 123 batteries that I thought were both fully charged.
It seems that one of them was with a very low charge, even though it was a new purchase. I had learned to use only the best 123 batteries that I believe are the Surefire brand.
Putting the Surefire batteries in the P3D allowed the light to operate without a hitch.

The light is 4.5” long and 0.8 in diameter. The anodizing is type III finish and the lens has an anti-reflective coating similar to what is put in eyeglasses.





As like the other models of Fenix lights, the P3D also can be used in candle mode, as the rubber button doesn’t protrude like in other lights that are uses as tactical.

A word of advice; use the 205 lumen mode very sparingly. The light gets hot very quickly in this mode and the excessive heat can damage the Cree emitter if used for a long time. If you need a light that can be used without damaging the LED in the higher setting for a long run, you have to purchase the Fenix T-1 that has a massive heat sink and bulky head that will draw the heat away from the Cree.

As the LED’s lack the infrared spectrum of light, the heat is concentrated near the head, instead of been thrown forward as the incandescent lights do.

The light comes with a handy holster. This is one torch that I don’t mind not having a clip, as the holster is very flat and comfortable to wear.
This light is so handy that it has replaced my Surefire E2e that was the light I used to wear for years when I went out of the house. I also have another light on my key chain, another Fenix product, the L1D, a one AA battery light with multiple levels.
Carrying now the two Fenixes, I will have light for a long time if I am involved in a situation that I need to use them.


The P3D can be used as a tactical light if the distance involved is short, like in an interior house situation. However, if the light were to be used to illuminate somebody in the back yard, the brightness of the 205 lumens at say, my usual distance of 26 yards, will be not be sufficient to blind a person as the tactical lights are supposed to do. I know because I tested it on myself at that distance, and the blinding effect was not present.

To illustrate the point I use another light that is also in the 220 lumens bracket, the Bear Cub incandescent, 220 lumens for 90 minutes. If you look at the pictures you will notice how strong the concentrated white beam of the Bear Cub is in comparison to the flood light of the P3D.

Also notice to the right of the subject how the incandescent light reveals leaves that are not shown in the beam of the Fenix. This is the famous lack of definition that I often talk in my posts; it can be translated as lack of detail from the LED beam.


For that reason I think that the 26 yards to the fence is the maximum range of the little reflector of the P3D. Bigger reflectors like in the Fenix T-1 with the same Cree Q,5 can reach as far as 50 yards. A word of advice, don’t try to make the little, svelte P3D do the job that is designed for the T-1, just confine the P3D for the house and other places with short range. After all what you should try to achieve if using a light in a tactical situation, is to indentify the subject as an intruder (it could be a member of you family or a friend of your son or daughter).

The light has to be powerful enough to blind the person, giving you time to appreciate if the intruder is armed and with what, and if you are justified to shoot the intruder. This last step of indentifying the armament requires more time than you realize, as it is easy to (after being woken from a sound sleep) see a gun in the guy’s hands when he is actually holding a cell phone.

Taking into consideration all these precautions, so as not to shoot an innocent person that could be in your house as a guest of your son or daughter, my choice is a big powerful light (like the Borealis 1050 lumens) carried in the off hand and NOT lined up with the muzzle of my gun at all, just because I don’t want to cover an innocent person with my muzzle.


That is why I am not big fan of the tactical rail pistol lights, and when I clear my house (Had to do it twice in the last three months) my muzzle is looking down at the floor. It will take just a fraction of a second to raise it and tighten the grip to activate the laser. I much prefer the use of the laser if any shooting is to be done, as it avoids the tunnel vision that occurs when you place your gun in front of your face in a low light situation.

I have practiced with the laser grips for the last two years, and the speed of my response has improved by 33%. It is hard to beat a laser-aimed pistol to respond to low light encounters. It is way much better than night sights that have a relatively short spam of use when used by themselves, and are unnecessary when using with a light.
P3D beam from 26 yards,





Bear Cub beam from 26 yards





Coming back to the P3D, it has a strobe effect in the 205 lumens setting; it will not do anything different to my eyes than the actual steady 205 lumens light can do. Must be all my disco dancing in the ’70 had me accustomed to the strobe effect.

The little torch is good, that is why it is my new light over the E2e. Placed in the holster or in your pants pocket, you hardly know that the light is there and a lot of cool features and power are just at your fingertips.
I recommend it highly.
Regards
Watchmaker

[Tiburon65]

Watchmaker, great write up, thanks

Whats the difference this fenix and the
Fenix P3D Premium Q5 Cree XR-E LED Flashlight?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=018


Seem to be the same thing to me, except the second one states its max of 215 lumens. Looking at getting one of the P3Ds just want to make sure I get the right one. thanks

[Bree]

I went over and joined a local gun club with outdoor ranges last night. I took my Olight T-20 along as I always do. They took us for a tour of the ranges in the dark. So I fired up the Olight and sent light down the 25 & 50 yard pistol range. HOLY SMOKES team! You can't imagine just how powerful this little light is. It threw a tight beam all the way down the range.

There is no doubt in my mind that these CREE Q5 emitters are the best thing since sliced bread. Get one. Whether it is a Fenix or an Olight or some other brand just get one!!

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Tiburon65

Watchmaker, great write up, thanks

Whats the difference this fenix and the
Fenix P3D Premium Q5 Cree XR-E LED Flashlight?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=018


Seem to be the same thing to me, except the second one states its max of 215 lumens. Looking at getting one of the P3Ds just want to make sure I get the right one. thanks

The Fenix P3D with Cree Q5 is the premium edition of the Cree, it will output 215 lumens while the non premium (regular Cree no Q5) will do 160 lumens.

[40packin]

I've been watching these strobe flashlights on the Guns and Ammo channel or whatever and they seem to be pretty awesome too. Primarily meant to disorient attackers. Masaad Ayoob was playing with one and they seem to be pretty slick. Of course they have your normal flashlight settings as well.

[Bree]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

The Fenix P3D with Cree Q5 is the premium edition of the Cree, it will output 215 lumens while the non premium (regular Cree no Q5) will do 160 lumens.

Why does Fenix rate its P3D at 215 lumens when the Olight T-20 Special Edition is rated at 205 lumens? They use exactly the same Cree Q5 7090 XR-E emitter and the same 2-CR123A batteries?

[Bree]

Originally Posted by 40packin

I've been watching these strobe flashlights on the Guns and Ammo channel or whatever and they seem to be pretty awesome too. Primarily meant to disorient attackers. Masaad Ayoob was playing with one and they seem to be pretty slick. Of course they have your normal flashlight settings as well.

As soon as you have someone strobe you with a blinding light, you will know exactly what Mas is talking about. The first reaction simply to the light is to either turn away or block the light with your arm. The strobing is really annoying. It rivets your attention for a critical moment on the light and not on what you are doing. And that is the time that you need to put your weapon on target and stop the BG.

I now have one. I have been strobed and I am a believer.