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kraigster414 · 10-15-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hacker15

Mine is a duty weapon - carry it just about every day working as a Court Deputy. I didn't buy it as a target gun - it's strictly for work. I shoot the standard police course to qualify once a year, but practice the course every month or so, with my own (at cost) ammo. The department pays for my carry ammo. I tried both the stuff I buy (WWB and Remington 180 gr FMJ) and my extra carry ammo - neither would group in anything like a qualifying score with the DRG, #22, or the #20 springs. When I switched back to the OEM spring, I still wasn't real satisified by the groups at 15, 20, 25 yrds, but they were better (no where near what I shot in May at qualification, but better).

Hacker, I agree. All things considered, it's hard to beat the DGR and #22 spring but in my case I had problems that may or may not be correctable. To be fair, I need to try a new 22# spring. I am not sure a lighter spring is a good idea in the Service model. 'Point is that until I went back to the OEM assembly today, I was not comforable carrying my XD40, now I am.

Not to change the subject but of all the after-market enhancements I made to my XD40 Service, I think the one that made the biggest positive difference, was the Canyon Creek 4# trigger job. Maybe because of that, I find the OEM recoil assembly more palatable. The Canyon Creek job is nothing short of incredible.

Oftentimes, there are no right and wrong answers. You go with what works for you. I have not completely given up on the DGR, I just have to find the time for more experimentation.

Could it be that the DGR better excels in the Tactical vs. the Service?

KYDoc · 10-15-2006, 04:33 PM

let me know by PM if you want to try another 22# spring: I have a couple unopened ones and I can lend you one... if you don't like it, send it back to me.

kraigster414 · 10-15-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KYDoc

let me know by PM if you want to try another 22# spring: I have a couple unopened ones and I can lend you one... if you don't like it, send it back to me.

Doc, thank you. I actually have a few new 22# springs I purchased from Wolff to keep on hand - I have to buy at least two of everything it seems - it's a sickness - as if the supply of recoil springs is going to dry-up tomorrow.

It's now a question of getting back to the range but to be honest with you, for carry I think I am going to stick with the factory recoil spring assembly. IMHO there is nothing wrong with it in the XD40 Service model. And as you would suspect, I have an extra factory recoil spring assembly just in case.

Postscript: I just measured the length of my old 22# Wolff spring against a new one. The one I had on my DGR that gave me problems measures approximately a quarter inch shorter than the new 22# spring. That doesn't seem enough to make a difference but I could be wrong. A trip to the range will tell.

KYDoc · 10-15-2006, 06:28 PM

All my used springs are shorter than the new ones. (Insight into personality -- I have used springs that I haven't thrown away and multiple new ones... packrat alert). I don't think it takes long for it to "shrink" a little -- either as it sits compressed or with firing.

kraigster414 · 10-15-2006, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KYDoc

All my used springs are shorter than the new ones. (Insight into personality -- I have used springs that I haven't thrown away and multiple new ones... packrat alert). I don't think it takes long for it to "shrink" a little -- either as it sits compressed or with firing.

Yes doc but unless that are at least a half inch shorter than a new (this was the way I was taught), they should work ok. One thing also that I didn't mention earlier is that my DGR and the 22# spring were throwing spent brass exactly where they were supposed to. No, there was something else going on here that rendererd the DRG and 22# spring less than fully successful in my XD40 Service. Questions come to mind for example, is the XD9 Service a better candidate for the DGR than the XD40 Service? And what about the Tactical models? Is this (the Tacticals) where the DGR really shines and is most consistent? I don't have the answers.

Maybe Don will see this thread and respond.

kraigster414 · 10-18-2006, 05:07 PM

Replacement recoil spring assemblies from SA are only $15. Now that I have a replacement (just in case) and my XD40 Service is working great with the factory recoil spring back in, I feel a lot more confident about carrying.

As for reports of the factory recoil spring failing, I'd like to hear from anyone affected. I am not aware of any cases. That's not to say it hasen't happened but then any part can fail. The issue is how wide-spread.

manic mechanic · 10-18-2006, 05:38 PM

Here's a thread from a little over a year ago in regards to the OEM guide rod failures and resulting lock up problem. Some of the pics are gone, atleast for me, not all are showing up.

Found a fatal flaw in the XD platform (IMO)

kraigster414 · 10-18-2006, 05:57 PM

Thanks. I read the thread quickly but it seems the failures noted occurred only after considerable firing. I have no problem replacing a $15 part every few thousand rounds (that's really erring on the side of caution - I think most can exceed that and not experience a problem) if it means zero failures in my XD40 Service. Despite the experiences mentioned in the thread, I am still not convinced that this is a systemic problem. Every gun, every part has reported cases of failure. Again, the question is, how wide-spread.

The question I am still pondering is whether the DGR has a better chance of success in XDs other than the .40 Service or is mine just a fluke.

manic mechanic · 10-18-2006, 06:12 PM

If I recall there was some failures under 500 rounds that occured, but others ran well over 10,000. I'd probably keep 2 on hand, one for range, and after clean or just after the range change out the newer one for carry. ajames also said in there somewhere he had over 50 failed rods that he had changed out for customers. I'm actually using mine with the 9mm EFK conv. bbl. but use the DGR with the 40 in it. Been running the 24# spring with no failures.

kraigster414 · 10-18-2006, 06:37 PM

Thanks MM. All good information. I guess we'll never be really able to quantify given the sheer volume of XDs sold but it definately speaks to the need to keep a spare recoil assembly on hand, ditto for spare trigger springs for the Glock, extractors for 1911s, etc.

10-18-2006, 05:07 PM	#16
kraigster414 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Upper Himalayas Posts: 1,447	Replacement recoil spring assemblies from SA are only $15. Now that I have a replacement (just in case) and my XD40 Service is working great with the factory recoil spring back in, I feel a lot more confident about carrying. As for reports of the factory recoil spring failing, I'd like to hear from anyone affected. I am not aware of any cases. That's not to say it hasen't happened but then any part can fail. The issue is how wide-spread. __________________ "Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." - George Burns

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manic mechanic XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: michigan, down the river Posts: 1,133	Here's a thread from a little over a year ago in regards to the OEM guide rod failures and resulting lock up problem. Some of the pics are gone, atleast for me, not all are showing up. Found a fatal flaw in the XD platform (IMO) __________________ The 2nd amendment makes all the others possible. If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

10-18-2006, 05:57 PM	#18
kraigster414 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Upper Himalayas Posts: 1,447	Thanks. I read the thread quickly but it seems the failures noted occurred only after considerable firing. I have no problem replacing a $15 part every few thousand rounds (that's really erring on the side of caution - I think most can exceed that and not experience a problem) if it means zero failures in my XD40 Service. Despite the experiences mentioned in the thread, I am still not convinced that this is a systemic problem. Every gun, every part has reported cases of failure. Again, the question is, how wide-spread. The question I am still pondering is whether the DGR has a better chance of success in XDs other than the .40 Service or is mine just a fluke. __________________ "Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." - George Burns Last edited by kraigster414; 10-18-2006 at 06:00 PM.

10-18-2006, 06:12 PM	#19
manic mechanic XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: michigan, down the river Posts: 1,133	If I recall there was some failures under 500 rounds that occured, but others ran well over 10,000. I'd probably keep 2 on hand, one for range, and after clean or just after the range change out the newer one for carry. ajames also said in there somewhere he had over 50 failed rods that he had changed out for customers. I'm actually using mine with the 9mm EFK conv. bbl. but use the DGR with the 40 in it. Been running the 24# spring with no failures. __________________ The 2nd amendment makes all the others possible. If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

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10-15-2006, 04:33 PM	#12
KYDoc XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 1,025	let me know by PM if you want to try another 22# spring: I have a couple unopened ones and I can lend you one... if you don't like it, send it back to me.

10-15-2006, 06:28 PM	#14
KYDoc XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 1,025	All my used springs are shorter than the new ones. (Insight into personality -- I have used springs that I haven't thrown away and multiple new ones... packrat alert). I don't think it takes long for it to "shrink" a little -- either as it sits compressed or with firing.

10-18-2006, 06:37 PM	#20
kraigster414 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Upper Himalayas Posts: 1,447	Thanks MM. All good information. I guess we'll never be really able to quantify given the sheer volume of XDs sold but it definately speaks to the need to keep a spare recoil assembly on hand, ditto for spare trigger springs for the Glock, extractors for 1911s, etc. __________________ "Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." - George Burns Last edited by kraigster414; 10-18-2006 at 06:40 PM.