UK Criminals Kill with Lithuanian Gas Guns Converted to Fire 9mm Bullets - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

XDTalk RSS · 07-22-2008, 07:20 PM

James Andre Smartt-Ford, known as Dre, was standing by the steps to the ice at Streatham rink when a black-clad youth emerged from the crowd, gripping a gun. He fired two shots from close range into his victim's back. Dre fell forward dying, his blood spreading across the ice. The revolver that killed Dre had the words "Made in Russia" imprinted close to the muzzle, and was fitted with a silencer... [Times (UK), via gunpolicy.org ]

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jc_stecker · 07-23-2008, 07:44 PM

As we've been saying for years, "When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns".

**eric_t12** · 07-24-2008, 07:20 PM

but they outlawed guns, how was he able to make one?

you mean the law didn't stop him from using whatever he could find available to commit a crime?

...surely you jest.

beakersloco · 07-26-2008, 12:40 AM

I also like how the accurate the article is

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The revolver that killed Dre had the words “Made in Russia” imprinted close to the muzzle, and was fitted with a silencer to muffle the shots.

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That gun, The Times has discovered, was a Baikal IZH-79 - manufactured in the Russian city of Izhevsk to fire teargas pellets, converted in a Lithuanian workshop to shoot live bullets, smuggled into Britain and sold to the armourer of a South London gang.
Three years ago no one had heard of the Baikal. Today it is the gun of choice in gangland Britain.

At first I figured that the picture in the article was simple a gun for show like they do in many gun crimes but if you google Baikal IZH-79 you find out that the article was correct. Nice looking revolver!!!!!

jeepinbanditrider · 07-26-2008, 12:50 AM

Gangs have armourers???

So say I was part of the gang and I was having problems with my MAC-10 or what not. He could help me out with spare parts and installation of said spare parts??

Spawnz · 07-26-2008, 12:55 AM

"The number of Baikal cases may be even greater, but evidence is disappearing as the gangs become more aware of forensic science techniques. Investigators have seen CCTV footage of gang members “cleaning up” after a shooting - picking cartridge cases off the pavement before they flee the scene."

Well..................I guess microstamping won't work in the UK.

yeahYeah · 07-26-2008, 09:59 AM

BAN 'EM..

Ban homemade potatoe guns too!

07-22-2008, 07:20 PM	#1
XDTalk RSS XDTalk Robot News Feed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,360	UK Criminals Kill with Lithuanian Gas Guns Converted to Fire 9mm Bullets James Andre Smartt-Ford, known as Dre, was standing by the steps to the ice at Streatham rink when a black-clad youth emerged from the crowd, gripping a gun. He fired two shots from close range into his victim's back. Dre fell forward dying, his blood spreading across the ice. The revolver that killed Dre had the words "Made in Russia" imprinted close to the muzzle, and was fitted with a silencer... [Times (UK), via gunpolicy.org ] More...

07-23-2008, 07:44 PM	#2
jc_stecker XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22	As we've been saying for years, "When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns". __________________ Springfield SOCOM 16 XD-40 Service S&W 629-6 Colt O1991

07-24-2008, 07:20 PM	#3
eric_t12 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SD Posts: 3,814	but they outlawed guns, how was he able to make one? you mean the law didn't stop him from using whatever he could find available to commit a crime? ...surely you jest. __________________ FBI: Gun Owners are Potential Terrorists Our Economic Future: GAO 21st Century Challenges The Police Have No Duty To Protect You VFW Life Member GOA Life Member "There are lots of problems, but if you destroy the dollar, you're going to destroy a worldwide economy, and that's what we're doing." Ron Paul - Speech on the house floor 29SEP2008 opposing the reworked economic 'rescue' plan

07-26-2008, 12:50 AM	#5
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,979	Gangs have armourers??? So say I was part of the gang and I was having problems with my MAC-10 or what not. He could help me out with spare parts and installation of said spare parts?? __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

07-26-2008, 09:59 AM	#7
yeahYeah XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vegas Posts: 10,771	BAN 'EM.. Ban homemade potatoe guns too! __________________ MOΛΩN ΛABÉ "You got on British Knights and I ain't seen anyone wear those since 1987" - Red (Pineapple Express) Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who comes near that precious jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. When you give up that force, you are ruined. ~ Patrick Henry

07-26-2008, 12:55 AM	#6
Spawnz XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: OHIO Posts: 856	"The number of Baikal cases may be even greater, but evidence is disappearing as the gangs become more aware of forensic science techniques. Investigators have seen CCTV footage of gang members “cleaning up” after a shooting - picking cartridge cases off the pavement before they flee the scene." Well..................I guess microstamping won't work in the UK.

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