US Felons Now 'Have the Right' to Own Guns for Self Defence - Court Cases

[bashman]

They absolutely have the right to be protected, but not by a felon with guns.









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[griz]

It's my opinion that a felon is one who disregards the law and performs a crime and knowingly does so in spite of the consequences. Therefore, one who blately disgregards the written law governing acceptable behavior in our society should NOT have the right to own firearms.

Everyone KNOWS that if you commit a felony and are convicted of such in a court of law, you WILL lose your right to own a firearm..... forever! Being a responsible adult comes with consequences for your actions.

[jon45xdtac]

Originally Posted by PackerfanXD

Maybe your right but does not the wife and kids have a right to be protected?

That really poses the question of "who's gun is it"? The wife, being of legal age to own a firearm, shouldn't be penalized for fellonies committed by her husband. However... to a certain extent we are just looking at technicalities. Whether the firearm is in her name or his, it is still in his household.

I own two handguns under my name. XD45 Tactical and a Bersa 9mm. I bought the Bersa 9mm because my wife wasn't able to shoot my 45 in a manner that I thought was reasonable for self-protection. The Bersa 9mm is legally under my name, but it resides in her nightstand.

My point is, a fellon could simply transfer ownership to his wife's name to get past the legalities while in reality they are still in his possetion. In court he could argue that they were under her name and since they lived together, it was beyond his control that they were in his house. I just don't want this to be a loophole for felons to get around the law.

As far as the question about the wife and child's right to be protected... (just thinking out loud here) they should be protected. But... it all comes down to life choices. The husband 'choose' to comit whatever crime he did and his family, unfortunately, will suffer some form of loss because of it.

This is probably a very controversial answer, but, I make choices everyday that impact the future of my family. They may not be in regards to legalities, but my choices to do or not to do certain things effect my family.




Let me pose this in a different schenario:

A husband is a convicted sex offender that is required by law to stay so far away from schools. He is in the car with his wife, who has not committed any crime. The wife is driving. Should the wife also be penalized and not be allowed to drive near a school while she is driving with him?

A person's life choices impact more people than just themselves.

[griz]

Originally Posted by jon45xdtac

Let me pose this in a different schenario:

A husband is a convicted sex offender that is required by law to stay so far away from schools. He is in the car with his wife, who has not committed any crime. The wife is driving. Should the wife also be penalized and not be allowed to drive near a school while she is driving with him?

A person's life choices impact more people than just themselves.

The wife knows the law and the rules. In this instance, she knows beforehand that her husband cannot be within the legal boundaries of a school zone. If she chooses to ignore the law and break it, she is committing a crime as well. Very simple actually.

[jon45xdtac]

Originally Posted by griz

The wife knows the law and the rules. In this instance, she knows beforehand that her husband cannot be within the legal boundaries of a school zone. If she chooses to ignore the law and break it, she is committing a crime as well. Very simple actually.

I was using this to highlight the fact that if a wife knows that her husband can not have a firearm in his possesion that she would also not be able to have one. My point was that the husband's choices impact more people than just himself.

[griz]

Originally Posted by jon45xdtac

I was using this to highlight the fact that if a wife knows that her husband can not have a firearm in his possesion that she would also not be able to have one. My point was that the husband's choices impact more people than just himself.

Absolutely... maybe he should have thought about that before committing the felony.

[jon45xdtac]

Originally Posted by griz

Absolutely... maybe he should have thought about that before committing the felony.

This is a point often missed in our society. The bleeding hearts of liberals want to make everything 'fair'. The fact of the matter is, life isn't fair. You just have to do the best with the cards that you are given.

[longun45]

The GCA of 68 is a recent development and is partly a bill of attainder and as such is unconstitutional and was also a ex post facto law which removed the rights of a few and provided no benefit to the many. This was an excuse for the first step in gun registration. Now everyone is entitled to the benefit of self defense no matter what their legal status, by the most effecent means avaliable.

This is a god given right that has been repeatedly assaulted by government. Every man is responsible for his actions and as such will answer to society for each transgression, but in no case do we penalize people for crimes that have not been commited.

To allow any man to have rights taken away, to create a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY, gives the government the ability to take your rights away for what ever cause they wish and you will have no recourse.

Think about it!!

[Daven]

Here in the "Peoples Republic of California" if your spouse looses their rights to own a firearm, you in essence will loose your rights to a firearm. This is because a firearm can't be in the same house as the felon. A friend of mines husband is a twice convicted felon. If he comes to my house, it is my responsibility to make sure he has no access to the firearms, either by locking them up..or as in the case of my everyday carry...keep it on me. I don't trust the individual, so I don't invite her over much because of her husband. I don't like him in my house, and if he is, it is brief. She suffers his stigma, because she chooses to be with him. People need to learn to take responsibility for their actions. If you choose to be married to a felon, then you must live with his/her consequences. People always claim to be victims....but I don't want felons, violent or otherwise...walking around with firearms. On the other hand the right to carry needs to be passed in all states as well as the castle doctrine. If you are legally allowed to own a gun, you should be legally allowed to carry that gun.

[mp3mogul]

There are exceptions: as with every thing.

My wife, for instance wrote a bad check in college for around 240.00. The check bounced (it was an accident) but the DA made it the crime of the century. The check was picked up and paid for a month before she was even charged, but oh no, it was the crime of the century.

To make a long story short, she was charged, and conficted of grand larceny. OMG, this police department really had nothing better to do.

Thank God I got her rights back after I met her. We started with the Governor by getting her rights to vote back, and then later her rights to own guns. We are now working on a pardon. A college kid shouldn't be punished for life because she wrote a bad check.

As stated above, there are exceptions to everything!