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XDTalk RSS · 06-17-2008, 02:40 AM

Who dies in greater numbers from firearms, police in the line of duty or preschoolers? The answer -- contained in a searing new report by the Children's Defense Fund -- is surprising and disturbing. In 2005, the most recent year for which data are available, guns killed 69 preschoolers, compared with 53 law enforcement officers. That's just one of the alarming facts in the Washington-based... [Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Georgia), Editorial, via gunpolicy.org ]

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Amkus · 06-17-2008, 02:43 AM

Maybe we should gives preschoolers body armor and firearms to even things up?

Yuppicide · 06-17-2008, 03:39 AM

"More US Preschoolers Shot than Police Officers"

What can WE DO to change that?
JK!

TexicanKid · 06-17-2008, 06:05 AM

Misleading article. It announces that "preschoolers" are the ones being shot, but when you dive into the article it talks about teens and young men "under 30".

yeahYeah · 06-17-2008, 09:22 AM

The libs in the media will use kids to get emotions going.

afmo · 06-17-2008, 09:29 AM

she makes it sound like they were shot by someone else whereas we know most of those are negligent firearms owners. Police put themselves in the line of duty every day. Misleading article.

**digitalexplr** · 06-17-2008, 09:38 AM

Good grief! This is from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution one of the worst liberal rags in the country!

Their "facts" are so convaluted that to call them "facts" is a misuse of the term.

You need to remember that to these folks there is no "legal gun" except in the hands of the government. Any privately owned firearm is an "illegal" weapon. So their solution is the total ban on private ownership of firearms, Period.

afmo · 06-17-2008, 09:56 AM

I emailed her this.

Ms. Downey,

Per this consumer product safety commission report (http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/foi.../toymemo04.pdf) there were 210,300 toy related injuries in 2004. Surely reasonable restraints on toys are both constitutional and wise.

The CDC (82 U.S. kids died playing choking game: CDC) claims that over the past decade 82 children have died playing the "choking game." Surely reasonable restraints on children playing are both constitutional and wise.

Here is a 2005 data table (Table 10. Number of deaths from 113 selected causes by age: United States, 2005)

You'll notice that there were 278 deaths from ages 0-24 by accidental discharge of firearms. Tragic? Yes absolutely, as any loss of innocent life is.

Now notice the category "accidental drowning and submersion." 1459 deaths between the ages of 0-24. This means that you are a little more than 5 times more likely to die in a pool than accidentally getting shot with a gun. Surely reasonable restraints on pool owners are both constitutional and wise.

Now you may be saying "but that’s just accidental discharges!" Don't worry, I'm getting there.

Ok, adding up all the deaths from age 0-24 by firearms (excluding suicide, because if a gun wasn't available, they'd just grab a bottle of pills or a knife), we come up with just shy of 5100 deaths. Scary. More casualties than the war in Iraq has given us.

Now factor in that not every person is in close proximity to a gun every day and you may think "my god, that’s terrifying."

But look at this.

Almost 13,118 deaths by motor vehicle accidents. You are 2.5 times more likely to die in a car than die from a gun in ANY capacity. Just based on death numbers. When you factor in that we use cars EVERY SINGLE DAY, and most people do not encounter guns every single day, you odds of dying in a car increase even more. Surely reasonable restraints of car owners are both constitutional and wise.

In 2005 (Let's hear it for "doctor control") there were 120,000 accidental deaths caused by physicians, per the CDC. 120,000. That’s like the population of Charleston, South Caroline being gone tomorrow. Surely, for everyone's sake, reasonable restrictions on doctors are both constitutional and wise.
Think of that next time you drive to your doctor.
Have a nice day.

updated it....

**XDONBOARD** · 06-17-2008, 10:04 AM

I can not believe they would skew a story around kids. These folks would not stoop that low.

"Sarcasm ended

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Wired · 06-17-2008, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afmo

she makes it sound like they were shot by someone else whereas we know most of those are negligent firearms owners. Police put themselves in the line of duty every day. Misleading article.

Exactly!!!

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XDTalk RSS XDTalk Robot News Feed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,891	More US Preschoolers Shot than Police Officers; US Leads in Gun Death Who dies in greater numbers from firearms, police in the line of duty or preschoolers? The answer -- contained in a searing new report by the Children's Defense Fund -- is surprising and disturbing. In 2005, the most recent year for which data are available, guns killed 69 preschoolers, compared with 53 law enforcement officers. That's just one of the alarming facts in the Washington-based... [Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Georgia), Editorial, via gunpolicy.org ] More...

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TexicanKid XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 393	Misleading article. It announces that "preschoolers" are the ones being shot, but when you dive into the article it talks about teens and young men "under 30". __________________ XD9 Sub carried 2:00 Walking Cane (for style) "We have Law Pollution. Legislators continue to create and pass laws until they pile up and up and up like some giant garbage pile of obscure code, creating a legal minefield all should fear to tread."

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yeahYeah XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vegas Posts: 7,774	The libs in the media will use kids to get emotions going. __________________ "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." - Benjamin Franklin The same power that conquered the world lives in me.

06-17-2008, 09:29 AM	#6
afmo XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,873	she makes it sound like they were shot by someone else whereas we know most of those are negligent firearms owners. Police put themselves in the line of duty every day. Misleading article. __________________ What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant

06-17-2008, 02:43 AM	#2
Amkus XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 218	Maybe we should gives preschoolers body armor and firearms to even things up?

06-17-2008, 09:38 AM	#7
digitalexplr XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 581	Good grief! This is from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution one of the worst liberal rags in the country! Their "facts" are so convaluted that to call them "facts" is a misuse of the term. You need to remember that to these folks there is no "legal gun" except in the hands of the government. Any privately owned firearm is an "illegal" weapon. So their solution is the total ban on private ownership of firearms, Period. __________________ XD9sc "change is not a destination just as hope is not a strategy" - Sarah Palin

06-17-2008, 09:56 AM	#8
afmo XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,873	I emailed her this. Ms. Downey, Per this consumer product safety commission report (http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/foi.../toymemo04.pdf) there were 210,300 toy related injuries in 2004. Surely reasonable restraints on toys are both constitutional and wise. The CDC (82 U.S. kids died playing choking game: CDC) claims that over the past decade 82 children have died playing the "choking game." Surely reasonable restraints on children playing are both constitutional and wise. Here is a 2005 data table (Table 10. Number of deaths from 113 selected causes by age: United States, 2005) You'll notice that there were 278 deaths from ages 0-24 by accidental discharge of firearms. Tragic? Yes absolutely, as any loss of innocent life is. Now notice the category "accidental drowning and submersion." 1459 deaths between the ages of 0-24. This means that you are a little more than 5 times more likely to die in a pool than accidentally getting shot with a gun. Surely reasonable restraints on pool owners are both constitutional and wise. Now you may be saying "but that’s just accidental discharges!" Don't worry, I'm getting there. Ok, adding up all the deaths from age 0-24 by firearms (excluding suicide, because if a gun wasn't available, they'd just grab a bottle of pills or a knife), we come up with just shy of 5100 deaths. Scary. More casualties than the war in Iraq has given us. Now factor in that not every person is in close proximity to a gun every day and you may think "my god, that’s terrifying." But look at this. Almost 13,118 deaths by motor vehicle accidents. You are 2.5 times more likely to die in a car than die from a gun in ANY capacity. Just based on death numbers. When you factor in that we use cars EVERY SINGLE DAY, and most people do not encounter guns every single day, you odds of dying in a car increase even more. Surely reasonable restraints of car owners are both constitutional and wise. In 2005 (Let's hear it for "doctor control") there were 120,000 accidental deaths caused by physicians, per the CDC. 120,000. That’s like the population of Charleston, South Caroline being gone tomorrow. Surely, for everyone's sake, reasonable restrictions on doctors are both constitutional and wise. Think of that next time you drive to your doctor. Have a nice day. updated it.... __________________ What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant Last edited by afmo; 06-17-2008 at 10:06 AM.

06-17-2008, 10:04 AM	#9
XDONBOARD XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 3,537	I can not believe they would skew a story around kids. These folks would not stoop that low. "Sarcasm ended " __________________ Michael XD-45 compact XD-40 sub-compact XD-9 sub-compact I'd rather have my XD and not need it, then need it and not have it.... I hereby certify that the person described hereon has been granted the privilege of carrying a concealed weapon in compliance with Arizona revised statute 13-3112.

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