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DIRTY HARRY · 06-05-2008, 10:29 PM

sorry xd just a bad habit of mine to forget the cap key

TexicanKid · 06-05-2008, 11:17 PM

The problem is someone who is mentally ill and cherishes his gun rights will then have a reason to never seek treatment. And therefore, could become more mentally ill while in possession of firearms.

We have to not use the stigma of mental illness as a reason to permanently suspend someone's freedoms. Losing one's freedom is a major penalty and should only be because of serious felony offenses; not just being stressed or sick.

But, of course, the real reason for this NYC legsilation is to demonize guns and gun owners and incrementally restrict everyone's freedom.

Like King George III during the American Revolution, Mayor Michael Bloomberg is surely the "John Bull" of our time.

**BOFH** · 06-05-2008, 11:52 PM

This is a slippery slope if I ever saw one. Pretty much everyone I know is mentally ill in one way or another (yea...I am lookin at you) so this law would need to be very well written or else it could be easily abused. I think they would really need to have very specific 'danger to others' language for it to be any good. Even then I dont like it.

afmo · 06-06-2008, 12:38 AM

The anti-government person in me says "slippery slope" but the realist in me says i don't want some sling-blade mental case talking to god on a two way radio and carrying a gun...

TexicanKid · 06-07-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by afmo

The anti-government person in me says "slippery slope" but the realist in me says i don't want some sling-blade mental case talking to god on a two way radio and carrying a gun...

I hear you. But I guess the "pro-gun" premise is if many ordinary folks are armed, then some nutcase will only be able to inflict minimal damage before being taken down. Which is a lot better than him capping 20 or 30 people until the SWAT team arrives.

And really, this entire argument hinges on the concept of "how much do we trust government?" Will government prevent all the Columbines and Virginia Techs and keep all the bag guys away? I think not.

I just have very little faith in government anymore. And if caught in a bad situation like the above, I'd trust my life to one of you guys carrying concealed, if in the vicinity, more than I ever would trust government to come to my rescue. Heck, government will often just seal off an area until the shooting stops, then timidly go inside.

06-05-2008, 10:29 PM	#11
DIRTY HARRY XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: EASTERN NY STATE Posts: 135	cap key sorry xd just a bad habit of mine to forget the cap key

06-05-2008, 11:17 PM	#12
TexicanKid XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 393	The problem is someone who is mentally ill and cherishes his gun rights will then have a reason to never seek treatment. And therefore, could become more mentally ill while in possession of firearms. We have to not use the stigma of mental illness as a reason to permanently suspend someone's freedoms. Losing one's freedom is a major penalty and should only be because of serious felony offenses; not just being stressed or sick. But, of course, the real reason for this NYC legsilation is to demonize guns and gun owners and incrementally restrict everyone's freedom. Like King George III during the American Revolution, Mayor Michael Bloomberg is surely the "John Bull" of our time. __________________ XD9 Sub carried 2:00 Walking Cane (for style) "We have Law Pollution. Legislators continue to create and pass laws until they pile up and up and up like some giant garbage pile of obscure code, creating a legal minefield all should fear to tread."

06-06-2008, 12:38 AM	#14
afmo XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,716	The anti-government person in me says "slippery slope" but the realist in me says i don't want some sling-blade mental case talking to god on a two way radio and carrying a gun... __________________ I survived 8 years of vitriolic hate directed towards George W. Bush. The shoe is on the other foot now: Barack Obama is NOT MY PRESIDENT. Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant

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06-05-2008, 11:52 PM	#13
BOFH XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 360	This is a slippery slope if I ever saw one. Pretty much everyone I know is mentally ill in one way or another (yea...I am lookin at you) so this law would need to be very well written or else it could be easily abused. I think they would really need to have very specific 'danger to others' language for it to be any good. Even then I dont like it.