In Gunfights, Up to 87% of New York City Police Bullets Miss Their Target - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

XDTalk RSS · 05-08-2008, 03:20 AM

New York City police officers fire their weapons far less often than they did a decade ago, a statistic that has dropped along with the crime rate. But when they do fire, even at an armed suspect, there is often no one returning fire at the officers. Officers hit their targets roughly 34 percent of the time. When they fire at dogs, roughly 55 percent of shots hit home. Most of their targets... [New York Times, via gunpolicy.org ]

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yeahYeah · 05-08-2008, 06:22 AM

Let me be the first to say this...

there IS NO DROP IN CRIME in NYC.

i was training/working to get into the NYPD a few years back. I had many NYPD buddies helping me. They attribute the "drop in crime" to politics and book cooking. Many crimes are NOT reported and many that are, are downgraded and thrown out so the precincts do not get a bad rap.

If crime increased, the precincts would come under fire. and in the worlds most PC'd police dept., they do not want that to happen.

ElJimmyStrappo · 05-08-2008, 06:44 AM

I'm not surprised that most bullets don't hit the intended target. I would argue that most of police firearms training is totally static. It is the typical step up to the line, fire 9 rounds at a distance of 25 yds, etc. We don't have enough dynamic firearms training, the training you will most likely use in a deadly use of force confrontation. I know I wish our dept. would do dynamic firearms training.

bigjimcalhoun · 05-08-2008, 07:01 PM

This statistic, or similar, is mentioned in the Crimsom Trace promotional video.

scurtis_34471 · 05-08-2008, 09:11 PM

It sounds to me like they need more training and practice.

The Tengu · 05-08-2008, 11:10 PM

Real world situations are not like range qualifications or sports like IDPA.

In real world situations your target is moving, your target is trying to kill you, and at the same time you are moving and trying to shoot your target.

Even if you shoot 100% on a square range, your real-world accuracy is going to drop just because of the dynamics of a gunfight.

No amount of laser sights or static range training is going to improve it. The only way to improve is by doing force-on-force training with non-lethal ammunition.

CubbieXD · 05-09-2008, 09:50 AM

I don't know how many times I've watched Spike or some guy show with police chases ending with the cop(s) shooting several rounds from no more than 15yards and MISSING everything.

They sure didn't miss that black dude 50 times though....

These "protectors" aren't trained worth a stinky dump.

05-08-2008, 03:20 AM	#1
XDTalk RSS XDTalk Robot News Feed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,194	In Gunfights, Up to 87% of New York City Police Bullets Miss Their Target New York City police officers fire their weapons far less often than they did a decade ago, a statistic that has dropped along with the crime rate. But when they do fire, even at an armed suspect, there is often no one returning fire at the officers. Officers hit their targets roughly 34 percent of the time. When they fire at dogs, roughly 55 percent of shots hit home. Most of their targets... [New York Times, via gunpolicy.org ] More...

05-08-2008, 06:22 AM	#2
yeahYeah XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vegas Posts: 2,509	Let me be the first to say this... there IS NO DROP IN CRIME in NYC. i was training/working to get into the NYPD a few years back. I had many NYPD buddies helping me. They attribute the "drop in crime" to politics and book cooking. Many crimes are NOT reported and many that are, are downgraded and thrown out so the precincts do not get a bad rap. If crime increased, the precincts would come under fire. and in the worlds most PC'd police dept., they do not want that to happen. __________________ My guns can beat up your books. ----------- http://www.youtube.com/stinkipete

05-08-2008, 06:44 AM	#3
ElJimmyStrappo XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SE Idaho Posts: 1,302	I'm not surprised that most bullets don't hit the intended target. I would argue that most of police firearms training is totally static. It is the typical step up to the line, fire 9 rounds at a distance of 25 yds, etc. We don't have enough dynamic firearms training, the training you will most likely use in a deadly use of force confrontation. I know I wish our dept. would do dynamic firearms training. __________________ The Carry: Springfield XD 9 Service - Crossbreed Supertuck & DGR with #16 and #22 springs. The Tack Driver: Sako Vixen L461 .222 Rifle with Bushnell 4X Scope A real tack driver! The Fun Gun: Marlin .22 LR with Bushnell 7X Scope The best weapon anyone can have: a brain. "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." -John Steinbeck "Beware the man who owns just one gun, he will know how to use it."

05-08-2008, 11:10 PM	#6
The Tengu XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,709	Real world situations are not like range qualifications or sports like IDPA. In real world situations your target is moving, your target is trying to kill you, and at the same time you are moving and trying to shoot your target. Even if you shoot 100% on a square range, your real-world accuracy is going to drop just because of the dynamics of a gunfight. No amount of laser sights or static range training is going to improve it. The only way to improve is by doing force-on-force training with non-lethal ammunition. __________________ The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. United States Code, Title 10, section 311, paragraph (a)

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05-08-2008, 07:01 PM	#4
bigjimcalhoun XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado Posts: 158	This statistic, or similar, is mentioned in the Crimsom Trace promotional video.

05-08-2008, 09:11 PM	#5
scurtis_34471 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 239	It sounds to me like they need more training and practice.

05-09-2008, 09:50 AM	#7
CubbieXD XDTalk Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 95	I don't know how many times I've watched Spike or some guy show with police chases ending with the cop(s) shooting several rounds from no more than 15yards and MISSING everything. They sure didn't miss that black dude 50 times though.... These "protectors" aren't trained worth a stinky dump.