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XDTalk RSS · 04-07-2008, 03:50 AM

Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a key case involving guns. In it, gun owners are challenging a District of Columbia ordinance that bars applicants from registering guns in the district and requires that guns kept at home be unloaded and either disassembled or locked. Opponents argue that the ordinance violates their Second Amendment right to bear arms. If they prevail,... [Sacramento Bee (California), Editorial, via gunpolicy.org ]

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XDConvert9mm · 04-07-2008, 08:43 AM

Imagine this, from a CA newspaper.

I'd love to ask for sources to back up the stats.

**eric_t12** · 04-07-2008, 08:44 AM

as would i, it seems that noone i know (most of whom are gun owners, all of them hunting families) have had (except one) accident involving injury with a firearm..

i will bet you our state also has lower murder rates than any "restrictive" one on the books.

and we're "awash with guns"

afmo · 04-07-2008, 09:07 AM

40 - 170%??? Methinks that statistic is purposefully overblown, and well outside the margin of error. Only a sloppy statistician would have a spread of 130%

digitalexplr · 04-07-2008, 11:27 AM

Another example of why intelligent, thinking people place little credibility in mainstream media outlets.

The facts, available to anyone, including reporters and editorial boards, overwhelmingly refute the Bee's Editorial. But they don't seem to be bothered by the truth. They just invent their own "facts" and figures. However, a lie is still a lie no matter how you try to color it!

cougar_guy04 · 04-07-2008, 11:59 AM

"Give me enough time and I can make numbers say whatever you want them to say." - My Statistics prof on the first day of class.

ChrisChris · 04-07-2008, 12:05 PM

Everyone should be familiar will Kellermann's research. The Brady group constantly recited his results and few people call them out.

While it is true that one can usually use stats any way they wish, good research and statistics can't be refuted.

Study this for a great lesson on how NOT to conduct research: GunCite - Gun Control Web Site: A Gun in the Home

BMC6765 · 04-07-2008, 12:13 PM

Wintemute, a leading researcher of gun violence, documents the increased risk of violence, injury and death that the mere presence of a gun in a home poses. The statistics are striking and alarming. "Living in a home where there are guns increases the risk of homicide 40 to 170 percent," Wintemute says.

Even if those numbers were true. (I dont think so)he dosnt specify which ones are justified!!!

ForTehNguyen · 04-07-2008, 12:14 PM

theres a vastly greater risk of me getting hurt killed when I go out to drive to work in the morning, i start eating unhealthy and start smoking. Suicides shouldnt even be counted, not having a gun is going to stop them from committing suicide? Please

There are very little people hurt/killed each year in accidental discharges at the home as compared to the true killers of america: heart disease, cancer, auto accidents, etc

propellerhead · 04-07-2008, 12:22 PM

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"Living in a home where there are guns increases the risk of homicide 40 to 170 percent," Wintemute says. The risk of suicide jumps even more, up by 90 to 460 percent.

So those without guns go to gun ranges, rent a gun and shoot themselves.

In other news, a study shows that a large number of staircase related injuries have been noticed in two-story houses compared to those in single-story houses.

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XDTalk RSS XDTalk Robot News Feed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,103	Risk of Violence, Injury, Death Increase in US Homes Where Guns are Kept Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a key case involving guns. In it, gun owners are challenging a District of Columbia ordinance that bars applicants from registering guns in the district and requires that guns kept at home be unloaded and either disassembled or locked. Opponents argue that the ordinance violates their Second Amendment right to bear arms. If they prevail,... [Sacramento Bee (California), Editorial, via gunpolicy.org ] More...

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eric_t12 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SD Posts: 3,767	as would i, it seems that noone i know (most of whom are gun owners, all of them hunting families) have had (except one) accident involving injury with a firearm.. i will bet you our state also has lower murder rates than any "restrictive" one on the books. and we're "awash with guns" __________________ FBI: Gun Owners are Potential Terrorists Our Economic Future: GAO 21st Century Challenges The Police Have No Duty To Protect You VFW Life Member GOA Life Member "There are lots of problems, but if you destroy the dollar, you're going to destroy a worldwide economy, and that's what we're doing." Ron Paul - Speech on the house floor 29SEP2008 opposing the reworked economic 'rescue' plan

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afmo XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,607	40 - 170%??? Methinks that statistic is purposefully overblown, and well outside the margin of error. Only a sloppy statistician would have a spread of 130% __________________ I survived 8 years of vitriolic hate directed towards George W. Bush. The shoe is on the other foot now: Barack Obama is NOT MY PRESIDENT. Ruger 22/45 MKIII Springfield XD-9 Service Stevens Model 67 Series E 12g 1948 M44 Mosin-Nagant

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digitalexplr XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 616	Another example of why intelligent, thinking people place little credibility in mainstream media outlets. The facts, available to anyone, including reporters and editorial boards, overwhelmingly refute the Bee's Editorial. But they don't seem to be bothered by the truth. They just invent their own "facts" and figures. However, a lie is still a lie no matter how you try to color it! __________________ XD9sc NRA Life Member "change is not a destination just as hope is not a strategy" - Sarah Palin

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cougar_guy04 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Turn East at Orlando Posts: 1,817	"Give me enough time and I can make numbers say whatever you want them to say." - My Statistics prof on the first day of class. __________________ "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

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ChrisChris XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 158	Everyone should be familiar will Kellermann's research. The Brady group constantly recited his results and few people call them out. While it is true that one can usually use stats any way they wish, good research and statistics can't be refuted. Study this for a great lesson on how NOT to conduct research: GunCite - Gun Control Web Site: A Gun in the Home

04-07-2008, 12:13 PM	#8
BMC6765 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 194	Wintemute, a leading researcher of gun violence, documents the increased risk of violence, injury and death that the mere presence of a gun in a home poses. The statistics are striking and alarming. "Living in a home where there are guns increases the risk of homicide 40 to 170 percent," Wintemute says. Even if those numbers were true. (I dont think so)he dosnt specify which ones are justified!!! __________________ “People will continue to kill each other for the rest of humanity's life. As long as there are humans on this planet we will kill each other. There is nothing you can do to prevent it. Taking away our ability to defend ourselves is simply going to make us ALL targets”. Quote from, The Knite Of Light

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ForTehNguyen XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,872	theres a vastly greater risk of me getting hurt killed when I go out to drive to work in the morning, i start eating unhealthy and start smoking. Suicides shouldnt even be counted, not having a gun is going to stop them from committing suicide? Please There are very little people hurt/killed each year in accidental discharges at the home as compared to the true killers of america: heart disease, cancer, auto accidents, etc __________________ XD9 Service Black XD9 Subcompact x 2 Kimber Tactical Custom II AR15 16" Midlength AR15 16" Carbine Tacticooled Lancaster AK47 Remington 870 12ga Express

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