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XDTalk RSS · 04-04-2008, 01:10 AM

Marc Kidby's concealed-carry permit was not suspended until he lay dying of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. His permit to carry a hidden handgun should have been suspended, and his guns surrendered, when his wife obtained a domestic-violence protection order on Feb. 11. However, the Athens County sheriff's office failed to suspend his permit, as required by state law, and might not... [Columbus Dispatch (Ohio), via gunpolicy.org ]

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**eric_t12** · 04-04-2008, 07:29 AM

sigh...

suicide attempts are IMO one of the worst reasons to take someone's firearms away.

If you truly own your life, as this country was pretty much founded on, IE THE IDEA OF LIBERTY, then you should have the right to end it on your own terms (as long as they don't hurt/steal from someone else).

USAFdude02 · 04-05-2008, 10:56 AM

Statewide, sheriffs suspended 502 concealed-carry permits last year for reasons ranging from protective orders to criminal arrests. Two permits were suspended in Athens County. About 108,000 Ohioans hold gun permits.

That is what I call a good number...I mean that comes out to .46% of them have had it taken away for one reason or another.

I do think the Sheriff's should have to suspend the CCP and assure that the person with the pending judgement should be disarmed. But as a defense I think that unsubstanciated claims should be dropped and the weapons returned after 1-3 months time.

My thought on this is lets say you are a "gun nut," hunter or shop owner...go shooting all the time. You get a divorce from the wife and she claims you threatened her...they then take all your guns and ammo. You basically just took away that mans lively-hood, protection or hobby.

I only say this because I have seen this happen to 2 people that were hunters and collector's of weapons.

BMC6765 · 04-05-2008, 11:05 AM

Cant save them all!!

**Ed Ely** · 04-05-2008, 11:23 AM

The old saying, "only the good die young".

EPOs (Emergency Protective Order) which
are issued at the complaint of either spouse,
will certainly get you relieved of any and all
arms until the case is settled. The sheriff just
did not communicate with the court clerk's
office to perform the order of the court.

Domestic Violence cases are very serious
business. If one is convicted in a court of
law for the misdemeanor of a 4th degree
assault (domestic violence), that individual
disavows themselves of ever owning,
possessing of firearms or ammunition. Also,
that person cannot be around firearms
period. That is just a misdemeanor, just
think what a felon charge would bring you.
This is the federal stuff. The question is
asked when purchasing a firearm on the
form 4473, "Are you under a restraining
order". Of course if you answer 'no' and
make the purchase, then you are under
possible charges of a felony kind.

All the bad guys can have all the firearms
that they want, but the good guy, maybe
now bad since the spouse has gotten pi*sed
and had an EPO served him/her, their means
of self protection are gone for good, if
convicted as charged. You gotta remember
though, that it takes two to Tango!

By the way, it does not have to be the spouse
that requests the EPO. It can be 'anyone'.
Doesn't make sense, but that is the way it reads.

Ed

04-04-2008, 01:10 AM	#1
XDTalk RSS XDTalk Robot News Feed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,883	Ohio Police Failed to Take Gun from Licensed Gun Owner Before Shooting Marc Kidby's concealed-carry permit was not suspended until he lay dying of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. His permit to carry a hidden handgun should have been suspended, and his guns surrendered, when his wife obtained a domestic-violence protection order on Feb. 11. However, the Athens County sheriff's office failed to suspend his permit, as required by state law, and might not... [Columbus Dispatch (Ohio), via gunpolicy.org ] More...

04-04-2008, 07:29 AM	#2
eric_t12 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SD Posts: 3,678	sigh... suicide attempts are IMO one of the worst reasons to take someone's firearms away. If you truly own your life, as this country was pretty much founded on, IE THE IDEA OF LIBERTY, then you should have the right to end it on your own terms (as long as they don't hurt/steal from someone else). __________________ FBI: Gun Owners are Potential Terrorists Our Economic Future: GAO 21st Century Challenges The Police Have No Duty To Protect You VFW Life Member GOA Life Member "There are lots of problems, but if you destroy the dollar, you're going to destroy a worldwide economy, and that's what we're doing." Ron Paul - Speech on the house floor 29SEP2008 opposing the reworked economic 'rescue' plan

04-05-2008, 10:56 AM	#3
USAFdude02 XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 78	Statewide, sheriffs suspended 502 concealed-carry permits last year for reasons ranging from protective orders to criminal arrests. Two permits were suspended in Athens County. About 108,000 Ohioans hold gun permits. That is what I call a good number...I mean that comes out to .46% of them have had it taken away for one reason or another. I do think the Sheriff's should have to suspend the CCP and assure that the person with the pending judgement should be disarmed. But as a defense I think that unsubstanciated claims should be dropped and the weapons returned after 1-3 months time. My thought on this is lets say you are a "gun nut," hunter or shop owner...go shooting all the time. You get a divorce from the wife and she claims you threatened her...they then take all your guns and ammo. You basically just took away that mans lively-hood, protection or hobby. I only say this because I have seen this happen to 2 people that were hunters and collector's of weapons. __________________ XD .45 ACP Service Model - Mine Glock 19 9mm - Wifey's

04-05-2008, 11:05 AM	#4
BMC6765 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 179	Cant save them all!! __________________ “People will continue to kill each other for the rest of humanity's life. As long as there are humans on this planet we will kill each other. There is nothing you can do to prevent it. Taking away our ability to defend ourselves is simply going to make us ALL targets”. Quote from, The Knite Of Light

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04-05-2008, 11:23 AM	#5
Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,666 Blog Entries: 1	The old saying, "only the good die young". EPOs (Emergency Protective Order) which are issued at the complaint of either spouse, will certainly get you relieved of any and all arms until the case is settled. The sheriff just did not communicate with the court clerk's office to perform the order of the court. Domestic Violence cases are very serious business. If one is convicted in a court of law for the misdemeanor of a 4th degree assault (domestic violence), that individual disavows themselves of ever owning, possessing of firearms or ammunition. Also, that person cannot be around firearms period. That is just a misdemeanor, just think what a felon charge would bring you. This is the federal stuff. The question is asked when purchasing a firearm on the form 4473, "Are you under a restraining order". Of course if you answer 'no' and make the purchase, then you are under possible charges of a felony kind. All the bad guys can have all the firearms that they want, but the good guy, maybe now bad since the spouse has gotten pi*sed and had an EPO served him/her, their means of self protection are gone for good, if convicted as charged. You gotta remember though, that it takes two to Tango! By the way, it does not have to be the spouse that requests the EPO. It can be 'anyone'. Doesn't make sense, but that is the way it reads. Ed