XD Talk

AZXD · 10-20-2011, 08:08 AM

I read the following in the 1911 section:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigistrar

u can win any match with a 6" @50 yd pistol.
There's no need of accurizing a 1911 that features a collet bushing, they all group 4" or better at 50 yds. The 10 ring is 3.5" and all you have to do is "nick" it, so a 4" grouper can deliver a perfect score, if you can!

the x ring is only for breaking ties, you can have 9 x's and 99 points, and if I have 100 pts and no x's, I still beat you. Furthermore, 2/3rds of the Bullseye matchs are fired at 25 yds, on the same sized 10 ring. If you "clean" the 25 yd stages and score a 95 at 50 yds, you will win, almost any time and place. So all you really need to do is stay in the 9 ring at 50 yds in order to win and it is 5.5" wide. 6", when you figure that all you have to do is "nick" the 9 ring to score a "9". Accurizing is just something started by the gunsmiths, and it's ripped people off for millions of $ over the years.

And am wondering how this would compare to the point system of major versus minor.

Any thoughts are appreciated ??

fredj338 · 10-21-2011, 06:49 PM

I am not sure what you are asking AZ IMO, the guy is wrong, all stock guns won't do 4" @ 50yds, not by a good ,margin IME. Most wiull do 3" @ 25yds or a bitr better w/ good ammo. So 4" @ 50 is a bit optimistic. For IDPA, yeah, a 4" @ 25yd gun is easily competative as shots further than 15yds are rare & even then, you are only asked to hit an 8" zone for 0 down.

**ETexPops** · 10-21-2011, 07:44 PM

I'm a little lost on this one as well. If you are concerned with 4" accuracy at 25 yds or 50 yds and can shoot that well with a timer running; I would say you would be good to go. You're only looking for minute of pie plate accuracy in either IDPA or USPSA. Both sports seldom shoot over 25 yds. Power factor to me is no big issue 'cause in IDPA you're either shooting .45 (CDP) or not (ESP and SSP). CDP requires both .45 and major PF; the others can be shoot with .45 but you can reload to a much lower softer PF. Major versus minor comes into play more in USPSA; minor scores one point lower than major anywhere except A zone shots. If you and your gun are capable of shooting 4" 25 yds groups on the timer and under stress then you are OK with either power factor. As confused as me now???

VR4 · 10-21-2011, 07:53 PM

For USPSA it dosen't matter as long as you get A zone hit's. I've been playing minor in SS and L10. I've won my division at my local matchs. A GM that shoots at our local matchs shoots Limited minor and wins overall in his division.

AZXD · 10-21-2011, 11:32 PM

So if I'm getting you guys right ... If you can hit an A zone hit consistently, there is no point reduction shooting minor, but if you have trouble making those hits, shooting major can give you a point advantage, but that would probably be offset by a slower overall course, due to slower follow-up shots.

Is all of this thought correct ?

fredj338 · 10-23-2011, 05:46 PM

Basically yes. In IDPA there is no advantage to shooting major but you are required to shoot major in CDP or ESR. Yes, it does slow you down a bit shooting 165PF vs guys shooting 125PF in overall standings, but not much in the right gun. Since you shoot within your class, it's only a pride issue to beat the 9mm/minor crowd. I always love when that happens.

**Alaskapopo** · 10-28-2011, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZXD

So if I'm getting you guys right ... If you can hit an A zone hit consistently, there is no point reduction shooting minor, but if you have trouble making those hits, shooting major can give you a point advantage, but that would probably be offset by a slower overall course, due to slower follow-up shots.

Is all of this thought correct ?

If your shooting all A's your shooting too slow. I will say that minor sucks. I generally shoot open or limited major power factor. For fun a few months back I shot production with my Glock 17 (which is minor of course) In the overalls I got beat by people who never touch me otherwise. I had good hits and good times but the point difference on C and D hits adds up. In my opinion you should never shoot minor by choice except in three gun (USPSA) for rifle. Where most of the targets are steel anyway and the magazine capacity advantage of the 5.56 and lower recoil all makes up for minor scoring.
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