The real point is, or should be, that a guy feels bad enough when he's screwed something up royally and doen't need some smart-assed remarks that may make the remarker feel superior, but don't "feed the bulldog." All forums seem to have some of that type, but some have more than their share like Glocktalk. I really like he fact that most of us on this forum tend to offer information & assistance generously without being judgemental or egomanical about it. Thanks to all and let's keep up the good work.