Don't you guys worry about the liability of lighter trigger?

[KeithM]

In Texas you can't even reveal your CCW unless you feel your life is in danger. Therefore you shouldn't be pointing the gun at someone to scare them or whatever, you should be shooting. Just be confident when talking about what happened and state that you shot intentionally.

Also, if my life is in danger I want to save it, I'm not going to worry about what a jury will think. I just want to protect mine and my loved ones lives if necessary.

In regards to hollow point bullets, couldn't you say that you use them both to stop the attacker more effectively, and to improve the chances that the bullet doesn't pass through the attackers body and injure someone else?

[hatingthesuck]

yada yada yada, i rather be in jail knowing my family is safe... good for everyone, i think its something everyone who uses firearms for self defense has in common, and does not need to be HEAVILY emphasized and/or compared to being the reason one gets a trigger job.

yes having an modified trigger over a stock one COULD POSSIBLY be used against you... but as long as you have a justified reason to use deadly force, all modifications SHOULD/would be irrelevant.

there has been instances where it has been used in court (look at all the gun magazine's court myth sections), so just know the possibility EXISTS, although unlikely to be the deciding factor.

[macphisto]

Originally Posted by Steel1212

Oh if your CCW and you shoot, you had better shoot to kill, not to stop! If your draw your weapon you had damn well better be fearing for you life and have plans to permanitly stop what is making you fear for it!

This is some very dangerous advice. Plenty of bad situations have been defused by a weapon being drawn and not fired.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by robinsre

If they ever find out that it was modified (it doesnt really seem like relevant information after a gunfight).

Additionally, I'd be more worried they'd say that if you carried an extra magazine or special hollow point bullets than a trigger modification. You could easily pass of the trigger modification by saying "I competitively shoot for fun! I just modified the trigger to help me with that."

We will find out its modified. All guns used in shootings rightious or not go to the crime lab where they are test fired and inspected by very competant gun people. They will know if anything has been modified. It is best to stick with stock triggers for defense so the attorneys have one less tool with which to paint you out as a bad guy.

If you want a nice trigger order your gun that way if possible. Thats one of the reasons I like 1911's. They come with great triggers.
Pat

[D_Fence]

(I'm not a lawyer..yadda..yadda..yadda.)

I think the primary concern over a light trigger (under 4 pounds) is simply the possibility that you might be more likely to fire the gun in a situation that appears to be "iffy" in court. For example, holding someone at gunpoint. Or, pulling the trigger early and hitting a bystander. But, with proper training and trigger finger discipline that risk can be reduced.

Obviously, the prosecutor (especially in a civil case) is going to come at you with everything they can even in a situation where no charges were pressed by the state. I think that as long as you keep the trigger to around 4 pounds you wouldn't have reason to worry if the scenario is otherwise favorable to your defense. After all, you can pay an expert witness who would likely say such a modification makes the gun more accurate but still require a conscious effort to make the gun discharge.

[D_Fence]

Here is an interesting read on modifying defensive pistols from a Law Enforcement magazine.

http://www.policeone.com/writers/col...ticles/120327/

[ichy_trigger]

Thanks for the link, good read.

[GlockConvert]

I think the light trigger is going to be a problem if you accidentally shoot someone. If they can get you to admit it was an accident, they can go after you for negligence and sue you under your home owners policy (in some states). My XD trigger is a 4 lb trigger and I defend it by saying it helps me shoot more accurately and more predictably and is therefore safer. But if you are worried about "shooting early" there is a pretty easy fix. Don't prep the trigger. Get your sights on the bad guy, and keep your finger in register until you have made the decision to fire. There are two completely distinct decisions. There are plenty of situations that have been resolved by the prescence of a gun and a good strong verbal command. I have been in two of them. To be sure, you need to be prepared to shoot if you draw, but the decision to shoot is seperate.

I agree with the earlier poster that said that telling someone to shoot to kill is dangerous advice. I shoot to stop conduct that is threatening me or those within my circle of protection, from death or grave bodily harm. I am not interested in killing anyone, I am interested in making them stop what they are doing. Now it might be that in the process of me stopping them, they suffer fatal wounds. That is the sad reality. But it is not the intent of the action.

In terms of hollowpoint ammunition. It has been used to paint people as "looking for a fight". This is why I carry LE Ranger SXTs. I carry what most of the police departments in my area carry. The allegation can be refuted with a simple "what do you carry in you Glock officer"? Really, me too!.

Everything we say online is discoverable. Saying anytime I draw I am going to shoot, or I am going to shoot to kill is poor tactics and poor doctrine, but it could also come back to haunt you.

Finally, if memory serves, and I may be wrong, Dum Dum bullets are not round nose bullets. They were initially made in the Dum Dum arsenal in India and were designed to expand and desintegrate. Haven't looked it up in a while, so I may be wrong.

Back to work, be safe.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by D_Fence

(I'm not a lawyer..yadda..yadda..yadda.)

I think the primary concern over a light trigger (under 4 pounds) is simply the possibility that you might be more likely to fire the gun in a situation that appears to be "iffy" in court. For example, holding someone at gunpoint. Or, pulling the trigger early and hitting a bystander. But, with proper training and trigger finger discipline that risk can be reduced.

Obviously, the prosecutor (especially in a civil case) is going to come at you with everything they can even in a situation where no charges were pressed by the state. I think that as long as you keep the trigger to around 4 pounds you wouldn't have reason to worry if the scenario is otherwise favorable to your defense. After all, you can pay an expert witness who would likely say such a modification makes the gun more accurate but still require a conscious effort to make the gun discharge.

It has little to do with the pull weight and more to do with the fact you altered the gun. If you buy a factory gun with a light trigger they will have a hard time painting you out to be a rambo. But if you modify your 10 pound trigger to be a reasonable 5 pounds. They can still make you look like a bad guy.
Pat

[ichy_trigger]

Thats it, im buying a HiPoint so they wont try and prosecute me being a hardcore killer...lol

Not directed at anyone except the asshat prosecuters that would use gun mods against people that are really modifying their guns to make them more reliable, accurate and safer.

I think if you used an 8 round gun instead of a songle shot, they would try to use that against you if they could. Bottom line, find a GOOD attorney and only shoot if its ther LAST option.