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Private Handgun Sales: Can an INDIVIDUAL still UPS/FedEx to an FFL?

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Old 02-17-2011, 04:38 PM   #1
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Private Handgun Sales: Can an INDIVIDUAL still UPS/FedEx to an FFL?

Hi, all ==

My first post here, and I just can't avoid looking uninformed.

I almost never sell a firearm that I own, and haven't done so in a long time. Someone recently told me an individual can no longer ship a handgun to an out-of-state FFL. Only an FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL.

That doesn't sound right to me (or maybe I'm just hoping it's wrong). Last time I did this, overnight express shipping was required ($40-45) but I was able to ship via FedEx or UPS...
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Gunbroker.com has a good guide to shipping firearms: GunBroker.com - Help Center

Some FFL's will not accept a shipment from a private individual even though it is legal. Be sure to check with the FFL before shipping.
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Hi, all ==

My first post here, and I just can't avoid looking uninformed.

I almost never sell a firearm that I own, and haven't done so in a long time. Someone recently told me an individual can no longer ship a handgun to an out-of-state FFL. Only an FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL.

That doesn't sound right to me (or maybe I'm just hoping it's wrong). Last time I did this, overnight express shipping was required ($40-45) but I was able to ship via FedEx or UPS...
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USPS does not allow a non-ffl to ship handguns. However FFLs can ship using them all day long. An individual can ship handguns to an FFL via UPS or FedEx, but they must use overnight services to do so.

The cheapest way I've found is to do it through your local FFL. Last time I shipped a handgun via UPS overnight it cost me $74.xx. Ouch.
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Sorry, that FedEx link is wrong, that's for freight services.
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USPS does not allow a non-ffl to ship handguns. However FFLs can ship using them all day long. An individual can ship handguns to an FFL via UPS or FedEx, but they must use overnight services to do so.

The cheapest way I've found is to do it through your local FFL. Last time I shipped a handgun via UPS overnight it cost me $74.xx. Ouch.

Sorry, that FedEx link is wrong, that's for freight services.
Oh. Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me. The link is technically wrong, but all the rules still apply for regular FedEx.

http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guid...xpress-ground/
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Oh. Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

FedEx Service Guide - Terms & Conditions - Express & Ground
under "firearms"
Only reason I brought it up is because it doesn't mention anything about handguns and overnight. That's all. I went round and round with some guy on another forum because he didn't know the difference between the freight and normal services.
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Only reason I brought it up is because it doesn't mention anything about handguns and overnight. That's all. I went round and round with some guy on another forum because he didn't know the difference between the freight and normal services.
I revised my post ;D
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Thanks, fellas. I'll dive into each of the reference sites you provided. I appreciate the links.

$74.00 YIKES! That wasn't just a single handgun, was it? (gulp).

I see FREE shipping and $20 shipping from some online dealers, so I'm assuming (hoping) overnight via UPS or FedEx is still in the $40-$45 range...
Am I just whistling past the graveyard?
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Compare the two.

Non-Freight:

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  1. FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
  2. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
  3. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
  4. If your shipment contains firearms, select the Direct Signature Required or Adult Signature Required Delivery Signature Option, depending on the requirements of your shipment. See the Delivery Signature Options section for details. Firearms shipments are not eligible for signature release or indirect delivery.
  5. Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.
  6. Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Express is required to notify FedEx Express that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.
  7. The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
  8. The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
  9. FedEx Express will transport ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Dangerous Goods section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
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  1. Carrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
    1. <LI type=i>Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
    2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
  2. Carrier cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.
  3. Upon presenting the goods for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to Carrier is required to notify Carrier that the shipment contains a firearm. The outside of the package(s) must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package(s) contains a firearm.
  4. The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
  5. The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
  6. Carrier will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
Even revised, the information is incorrect. They are not the same and freight does not apply. It does not state the most critical part establishing the requirement for overnight.
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Thanks, fellas. I'll dive into each of the reference sites you provided. I appreciate the links.

$74.00 YIKES! That wasn't just a single handgun, was it? (gulp).

I see FREE shipping and $20 shipping from some online dealers, so I'm assuming (hoping) overnight via UPS or FedEx is still in the $40-$45 range...
Am I just whistling past the graveyard?
Indeed it was just one handgun, going between San Antonio, TX to Pahrump, NV. No idea how much a dealer would charge for overnight. It's best to use the ground option, IMHO.
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:43 PM   #10
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Gunbroker.com has a good guide to shipping firearms: GunBroker.com - Help Center

Some FFL's will not accept a shipment from a private individual.
Man, that Gunbroker Help Center is GREAT, and thanks for clarification regarding it being the FFL's option to accept shipment from me or not.

Thanks to you other guys for the FedEx and UPS info. I just came up-to-speed thanks to those links.
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