XD45GAP Tactical or 1911 for IDPA/IPSC? Help me decide! - Page 2 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

JD McDorce · 08-30-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by j2fast

I would say if you want a GAP just go that direction and play in Limited-10 (after checking to ensure it's legal).

The only aspect of Limited-10 that may come into play is the condition Any complete handgun or components produced by a factory and available to the general public for one year and 500 produced. I'm not certain if the "one year" provision has been met (which may also be a factor in the Production Division status). For local matches, I really doubt that anyone will care if one uses a 45GAP in Limited-10.

In addition, 9+1 with factory mags places one at a slight disadvantage.

**R Dub** · 08-30-2005, 02:40 PM

I posted a response to JD's post on the USPSA Range Officer forum concerning the XD GAP in Production. The USPSA Production Gun lists "HS PRODUKT HS2000 Series". So in actuality a competitor from outside the US could use a HS 2000 in .45 GAP in Production Division in a USPSA match.

Arnisandyz

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I like the idea of being able to load for minor OR major with the 40 and being able to enter production OR L-10. Its what I was thinking of doing with the GAP (downloading) before I realized its not legal for production.

You can download the GAP for IDPA ESP to 125PF and shoot major 165PF in USPSA L10 untill the GAP gets put on the Production Gun list.

JD McDorce · 08-30-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnisandyz

Yeah, its mainly for fun, but I'd still like to be in a division with people close to the same skill level as myself.

The way that USPSA and IPSC are structured, they have Classifications within Divisions, with the classifications denoting skill level and the division denoting type of gun. During the past six months, I have pretty much seen all skill sets in all divisions.

j2fast · 08-30-2005, 03:50 PM

R Dub makes a good point at the end of his post that I wasn't thinking about as I made most of these replies during a conference call at work.

It's likely just a matter of time before the USPSA adds the XD GAP's to the approved list. You could do L-10 this year (as long as there were 500 GAP tacticals produce as JD states) and work up a minor load. Then hopefully be able to run Production in the not so distant future.

ichy_trigger · 08-31-2005, 07:29 AM

If you get the XD40 Tactical, you can compete in L-10 and production. You would be shooting major power though in production unless you load down your .40's to say maybe 135-140 PF. A guy I shoot with was told that a 9mm conversion barrel IS NOT legal to shoot production with. A gun thats says XD40 and shoots a 9mm is not legal.
Its a great gun for USPSA, I have been seeing more and more of them out there.

Arnisandyz · 08-31-2005, 08:29 AM

Thanks for your help everybody. It looks like my decision is now between a 45GAP Tactical or a 40 Tactical. I'll probably still get a 1911 but that will be down the road. I really like that new stainless GAP tactical. From what I can tell, the 40 isn't available as stainless, I'd have to get it hard chromed (or leave it black).

http://www.springfield-armory.com/im...5in/XD9525.jpg

ampleworks · 08-31-2005, 09:37 AM

If you're going to use the GAP for ESP and L10, throw a magwell on it, see if you can modify the follower a bit and put a pierce extension on it. As from what I understand, the 9th round in the GAP mag is a tough squeeze, so even if you're just going 9+1, the extension will no only give you extra leeway but some more of a better handle on reloading. The pierce extensions fit inside of the official USPSA magazine 140mm gage. You're stuck with 9+1 for ESP though. I doubt the magazine can me modified enough to get ten in there.

I don't think there will be an issue with the 500 produced. I cannot imagine SA offering extra magazines for something yet if they have produced that many pistols.

I don't know why anyone would want to shoot production anyway with a 45 (gap or acp), you aren't going to get a round down low enough to be with the mousefart 40s, especially if you're shooting 230gr and be able to keep it reliable and accurate imho.

Arnisandyz · 08-31-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ampleworks

I don't know why anyone would want to shoot production anyway with a 45 (gap or acp), you aren't going to get a round down low enough to be with the mousefart 40s, especially if you're shooting 230gr and be able to keep it reliable and accurate imho.

I have a friend who hada Glock 37 GAP. He downloaded it to "mousefart" levels and it was reliable, but he said it threw the brass right into his face. He did say it was more accurate and the recoil felt less than his downloaded 40 but the brass in the face was too distracting.

JD McDorce · 08-31-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ampleworks

The pierce extensions fit inside of the official USPSA magazine 140mm gage.

Even so, aren't USPSA Production and L-10 limited by number of rounds in the mag (10 max at start signal) versus magazine length?

DougXD · 08-31-2005, 12:25 PM

Also note that the XD45 is not allowed in IDPA at all..........yet. I called the headquarters a few weeks ago and they told me........ "nope, not yet."

I wanted to shoot my XD45 in IDPA here in Maryland, but I'm limited to my XD9 for now.

08-30-2005, 03:50 PM	#14
j2fast XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern WV Posts: 456	R Dub makes a good point at the end of his post that I wasn't thinking about as I made most of these replies during a conference call at work. It's likely just a matter of time before the USPSA adds the XD GAP's to the approved list. You could do L-10 this year (as long as there were 500 GAP tacticals produce as JD states) and work up a minor load. Then hopefully be able to run Production in the not so distant future. __________________ ----The trick lies in firing at the earliest moment in which the bullet will hit the target - not in trying to make the bullet hit the target in a specific place. Brian Enos

08-31-2005, 07:29 AM	#15
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,016	If you get the XD40 Tactical, you can compete in L-10 and production. You would be shooting major power though in production unless you load down your .40's to say maybe 135-140 PF. A guy I shoot with was told that a 9mm conversion barrel IS NOT legal to shoot production with. A gun thats says XD40 and shoots a 9mm is not legal. Its a great gun for USPSA, I have been seeing more and more of them out there. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

08-31-2005, 09:37 AM	#17
ampleworks XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Communistic Ohio Posts: 1,161	If you're going to use the GAP for ESP and L10, throw a magwell on it, see if you can modify the follower a bit and put a pierce extension on it. As from what I understand, the 9th round in the GAP mag is a tough squeeze, so even if you're just going 9+1, the extension will no only give you extra leeway but some more of a better handle on reloading. The pierce extensions fit inside of the official USPSA magazine 140mm gage. You're stuck with 9+1 for ESP though. I doubt the magazine can me modified enough to get ten in there. I don't think there will be an issue with the 500 produced. I cannot imagine SA offering extra magazines for something yet if they have produced that many pistols. I don't know why anyone would want to shoot production anyway with a 45 (gap or acp), you aren't going to get a round down low enough to be with the mousefart 40s, especially if you're shooting 230gr and be able to keep it reliable and accurate imho. __________________ *Ampleworks*

08-31-2005, 12:25 PM	#20
DougXD XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasadena, MD Posts: 96	Also note that the XD45 is not allowed in IDPA at all..........yet. I called the headquarters a few weeks ago and they told me........ "nope, not yet." I wanted to shoot my XD45 in IDPA here in Maryland, but I'm limited to my XD9 for now. __________________ S&W M&P40 XD-9 Service XD-45ACP Service Taurus 24/7Pro .45ACP Taurus Raging Bull .454Casull Ruger MKIII 45 .22lr Firestorm .380 NRA Endowment Member

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08-31-2005, 08:29 AM	#16
Arnisandyz XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 298	Thanks for your help everybody. It looks like my decision is now between a 45GAP Tactical or a 40 Tactical. I'll probably still get a 1911 but that will be down the road. I really like that new stainless GAP tactical. From what I can tell, the 40 isn't available as stainless, I'd have to get it hard chromed (or leave it black). http://www.springfield-armory.com/im...5in/XD9525.jpg