.40 s&w or .357 sig? Please help! - Page 2 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

Krackels · 09-02-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XD BACKUP GUN

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Buy the .40 and get the conversion barrel for .357sig.

Ditto, the .40 ammo is definately easier to find and cheaper to practice with and if you really want to shoot .357 sig you'll have a match grade barrel to shoot it out of.

ichy_trigger · 09-02-2005, 03:12 PM

I like the .357 for carry but it is definately a bit more pricey. I didnt use to be much of a .40 fan but ive come to appreciate it since I started shooting it alot more. I would say that the guy you use either one on would not be able to tell you which was which.

As far as the 10mm....This is an XD forum,the guy asks questions about which XD to get and you throw up a 10mm. Why do you even hang here? Do you own and XD??? If the 10mm is it or nothing, why do you own and XD if you do in fact own one? Looks like the .45 kicks the 10mm's ass in that chart, glad i carry one alot of the time.

My .45 kicked your 10mm's ass.

repeet · 09-02-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Krackels

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Originally Posted by XD BACKUP GUN

<big snip>

Buy the .40 and get the conversion barrel for .357sig.

Ditto, the .40 ammo is definately easier to find and cheaper to practice with and if you really want to shoot .357 sig you'll have a match grade barrel to shoot it out of.

Oops!!!
I did it backwards.

Vampire · 09-02-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pauli

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OMG why is every post about the 10mm?

NO ONE CARES!

there's a nonsequitur...

Nice catch.

While looking for the purchase that turned into my XD-40 aquisition, a 10 was REALLY what I wanted.

Sadly, the round is all but orphaned, and most factory loads are way under what 10 is capable of.

Delija · 09-03-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

As far as the 10mm....This is an XD forum,the guy asks questions about which XD to get and you throw up a 10mm. Why do you even hang here?

Looks like the .45 kicks the 10mm's ass in that chart, glad i carry one alot of the time.

My .45 kicked your 10mm's ass.

I was pretty surprised by the results posted on the chart. I'd like to thank Gadget for posting it. Very interesting.

And maybe it will get "masterofg3" to stop interjecting his 10mm obsession into so many threads here. It really is irrelevant to the XD threads in which he keeps touting the 10mm round.

I found it very informative and somewhat surprising to see that, according to this chart, the standard 230 grain .45 has virtually identical stopping power to the .357 magnum. Then the .40S&W and the .45 +P are very close....a statistically insignificant difference. The .357 SIG is right there, and then the "mighty 10mm" narrowly is ahead (a statistical tie really) of the 9mm +P to bring up the rear. LOL (The 9mm +P+ is also apparently a more effective round than the 10mm). The standard 9mm had an 83% one shot stop compared to the "invincible" 10mm but I'd bet I could place 3 or 4 nine mm slugs into a small target before a 10mm shooter could get an effective second shot off.

I will say the 10mm appears to be a good deal more effective than a .22LR or .25 ACP, so that's nice for "masterofg3". I bet it makes him feel good. I wonder if he'll be headed right over to <rimfire.com> to strut his 10mm stuff. LOL..

In truth, I guess there is an insufficient number of cases of actual shootings to really make a fair judgment using the chart. The .45ACP had a higher "one shot stop" percentage than the .45ACP +P.

Also, in fairness to the 10mm, it only had 18 stops, not enough of a sampling to be truly representative. But compared to the 615 stops with a .357 Mag, and 349 with the standard 9mm, it is clear that the 10mm is not a very popular round in the LE community. Of course the 10mm has not been around as long, but that does not explain how the even newer .357SIG and the .40S&W both had more stops than the 10mm.

Boy, lot of people were shot with the .22 LR Stinger!! More even than with the 9mm!!! THAT surprises me!

I am also surprised that anyone was shot with the .25ACP. Quite a few really. I always thought it was a very rarely used caliber. Small and ineffective, and it seems many, if not most guns chambered for that round are also available in the .22LR Maybe the ACP feeds better.....However.James Bond used a .25 Beretta and his gun jammed which was the reason he was issued the PPK instead. Maybe he'd have been better off with the .22LR Beretta.

Peace,
D.

ichy_trigger · 09-03-2005, 01:52 PM

The one thing the .25 has over the .22 is the .25 is a ceterfire which offers more reliable ignition. I remember reading somewhere though that more people have been killed with .22's than any other caliber.

poncaguy · 09-03-2005, 03:26 PM

what is the best 357 conversion barrel for my XD40?

XD40
Glock 22 40
Dan Wesson 8" 357
Ruger P90
Ruger P95
Ruger P345
Thompson Encore 460 S&W

jkswiss · 09-03-2005, 03:52 PM

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi....asp?Caliber=0

Thats the site where I got that chart from. I posted that chart over there on THR, i know its the same one cuz of the round thats highlighted

If that chart holds true, I guess big and slow is better than fast and light. The heavy 230gr. ACP round outperforms the lighter but faster 185gr ACP+P.
This chart was a big reason why I chose the 40SW round. However, I'm kinda wishing I had bought 9mm instead, less recoil and more enjoyable to shoot.

hal.9000 · 09-04-2005, 07:42 AM

For me the 357 Sig seems much more accurate than the 40. More than likely the reason is it's bottleneck design, thus promoting even powder burn, as both the 40 and 357 headspace on the case mouth.

A plus is that it shoots to the point of aim in most fixed sighted guns. In Glocks there is another reason to go to them, SUPPORT.

DHB · 09-04-2005, 11:22 AM

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I was pretty surprised by the results posted on the chart. I'd like to thank Gadget for posting it. Very interesting.

I am very skeptical of what is represented on this chart. You give me access to a lot of data and I can probably make a query that will show statistics that support whatever position you want to prove. Reaching any type of conclusion based on what you see on that chart would probably be wrong. That's assuming that what little data is shown is actually true in the first place. The chart doesn't show some of the most important factors that need to be known. I find it very hard to believe these very high percentages of "one shot stops" based on the 1st hand experiences of police and EMT personnel involved with shootings where there is seldom only one gun shot in a victim/assailant.

09-02-2005, 03:12 PM	#12
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,316	I like the .357 for carry but it is definately a bit more pricey. I didnt use to be much of a .40 fan but ive come to appreciate it since I started shooting it alot more. I would say that the guy you use either one on would not be able to tell you which was which. As far as the 10mm....This is an XD forum,the guy asks questions about which XD to get and you throw up a 10mm. Why do you even hang here? Do you own and XD??? If the 10mm is it or nothing, why do you own and XD if you do in fact own one? Looks like the .45 kicks the 10mm's ass in that chart, glad i carry one alot of the time. My .45 kicked your 10mm's ass. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

09-03-2005, 01:52 PM	#16
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,316	The one thing the .25 has over the .22 is the .25 is a ceterfire which offers more reliable ignition. I remember reading somewhere though that more people have been killed with .22's than any other caliber. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

09-04-2005, 07:42 AM	#19
hal.9000 XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 86	For me the 357 Sig seems much more accurate than the 40. More than likely the reason is it's bottleneck design, thus promoting even powder burn, as both the 40 and 357 headspace on the case mouth. A plus is that it shoots to the point of aim in most fixed sighted guns. In Glocks there is another reason to go to them, SUPPORT. __________________ http://chromewhore.com/images/member...ba78e67a60.jpg

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09-03-2005, 03:26 PM	#17
poncaguy XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 22	what is the best 357 conversion barrel for my XD40? XD40 Glock 22 40 Dan Wesson 8" 357 Ruger P90 Ruger P95 Ruger P345 Thompson Encore 460 S&W

09-03-2005, 03:52 PM	#18
jkswiss XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,085	http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi....asp?Caliber=0 Thats the site where I got that chart from. I posted that chart over there on THR, i know its the same one cuz of the round thats highlighted If that chart holds true, I guess big and slow is better than fast and light. The heavy 230gr. ACP round outperforms the lighter but faster 185gr ACP+P. This chart was a big reason why I chose the 40SW round. However, I'm kinda wishing I had bought 9mm instead, less recoil and more enjoyable to shoot.