Looking for XDm's at dealer cost?

[dave421]

Originally Posted by boricua9mm

Actually, I don't want you to pay the guy anything. You don't see the value, have complained endlessly here, and you don't fit the profile of one of his happy customers. You've already decided you're dissatisfied, so I wouldn't advise joining up. Whomever you bought your guns from isn't selling guns at dealer cost, I'm almost certain. You're asking me to give you dealer cost on something, which I have to pay money to have access to. Sorry buddy, I don't give out free lunches.

You're right, I DON'T see the value. I CAN'T see the value because he has it blocked. The few prices that he does show vary from good to bad. I'm not going to join based upon those prices without knowing more. What profile is it exactly that I don't fit? A shooter? I average a pistol purchase once every 1-2 months. I shoot once every 1-2 weeks (200-500 rounds depending on schedule). I research the guns I'm interested in and I know where I can find good prices. So, you're telling me that most of his customers aren't any of the above?

You're right, the places I buy guns don't sell at cost. I never implied that they did. That doesn't mean that they don't offer amazing prices. If I want "dealer cost" then I'll ask them what the cost is and they'll tell me. That doesn't make too big a difference to me though because cost varies depending on the place. You said it yourself. So what's this big secret that you're "giving away"?

It matters not what you paid for something way back when from a shadow source. It matters what you can buy it for NOW from a named dealer. Like I said, I'm sure people would love to hear of your source that is selling guns below cost. You've blasted On Point, but don't cite anyone with better deals. Oh wait...that precious $5...the cost of a value meal, not even the cost of a decent meal. Nonetheless, complaints...

Way back when? The last new XD I bought was a few months ago. "Shadow source"? The company's name is Lawman's in Raleigh NC. Would you like their address or phone number? I've advertised where I got mine from before AS WELL AS THE PRICE THAT I PAID FOR IT. Why would I hide anything? You're the guy trying to talk about how great your buddy's shop is without offering any proof. So, why don't you stop playing around and tell us what the "shadow price" is from your buddy?

I've also not "blasted" On Point. I've not said that the guy is a scammer, going out of business in 6 months, or anything else. I just asked for an example and you refuse to give it. I said that I don't believe that he sells items for his cost and you just keep talking about how much cost varies and you never know what someone's cost is, etc. etc. I've even repeatedly said that your buddy may have great prices. Yet somehow, I'm the jerk that's "blasting" your buddy and hiding stuff. Right...

And you're right, $5 isn't much. You go ahead and paypal it to me and I'll join your buddy's site. If it's worth a membership, I'll send it back to you. After all, it's only the price of a value meal.

Yeah, you've really sold yourself as a trustworthy source. Gimme a break!

Sorry bud but I'm not the one hiding behind a membership and refusing to give out a price but lambasting anyone who dare question their business methods

More assumptions. He doesn't run paid advertising. Instead he is resourceful in free methods of marketing and advertising. I work as a Marketing Manager for a living. Without being out there, you have no marketing. Advertising IS marketing, and without some form of advertising, one's marketing strategy hardly exists. The exception to that rule today is SEO, or search egine optimization. If you can make people find your site organically, you don't need to pay money to bring people in. Marketing people don't typically design ads, Graphic Designers do. I happen to serve many roles in my position, so in my case I actually conceptualize-create-execute.

Assumptions? What exactly did I assume? That he was paying if he was running any advertising? Yeah, that's the way it works. He can do free marketing & advertising all day long but if he's running any real ads then he's paying for them. Your buddy's site doesn't come up until the 3rd page if I do a search for "on point springfield xd." That's not a going to direct many people to his site. "Springfield XD," "HK P30", "Springfield XD-M", "gsg5", etc. don't show up by the 5th page. Perhaps he should look into working with a company that specializes in Google optimization. It'll bring him a lot more business if he can show up in basic searches like those.

As for advertising/marketing, I've worked with a lot of marketing firms. I know what's going on. I've designed ads & campaigns, I've bought ads & campaigns, etc. Like I said before, marketing is the designing of an ad SLASH campaign. You don't shoot a commerical and then take it to a marketing company. I know how it works, you don't need to rephrase what I say and then try to explain it to me. Marketing goes well beyond advertising and may not include running any ads whatsoever.

I'm not sure what your job as a "Marketing Manager" entails but that really means 0 to me. I've met Marketing managers that were managers and knew zero about marketing. I've also met ones that could design a campaign to make Saddam Hussein appear to be a civil rights leader. If you know your stuff then you should realize that you're putting up a very bad image of your buddy's company right now. You have a audience at hand that could buy from your buddy but you don't care and just say "I'm not giving a handout, you'll have to join to see for yourself." Personally, people who usually tell me that I have to pay to find something out rarely get my business because there's been way too many people who couldn't shut up OR put up. Judging by some of the other replies in here, I'd say that your refusal to offer any real help and the attitude that you're portraying have LOST potential business for your buddy.

You sure about that? Any SAM's Club I've been to in Florida checks your ID at the door. No membership? Take a walk. On Point's business model is for someone who KNOWS what they want, and is ready to buy for the best price they can find.

Yes, I'm 100% positive about that. I did it before I bought my membership to Sam's club. I also did it when I was considering joining BJ's. I'm guessing that you've never tried to actually go into a Sam's Club without showing your membership. They'll advise you that you cannot purchase anything without a membership and direct you to the membership stand. Tell them that you're thinking of joining but want to check the place out and they'll tell you to go ahead. Most people don't care to part with $60 to find out whether they're making a good choice or a bad one.

[Evolution]

Originally Posted by boricua9mm

If local shops refuse to compete, I say Good Riddance! They are mostly staffed with know-it-alls anyways. Last time I was in a gun shop, the "gunsmith" used a primed casing as a snap cap. I left immediately after the bang.

All I'm saying is, you can buy from a shop and overpay by $100 on average, or you can buy at significant savings online.

Many here have complained about $60 over the course of a year, but overpay by anywhere from $100-$300 each year on their gun purchases. The choice is yours.

OK, I wasn't going to say anything, but isn't this the dealer that was banned from doing business on Sigforum???

That happened for a reason. I'll take my chance with "know-it-all" staff.

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