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arizona98tj · 06-14-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JBHorne

I'm confused: Why would you let the slide slam forward on an empty chamber in the first place?

Maybe it's just me...but I take it easy on my guns when I can.

Have you ever performed any malfunction drills? Granted you can do it with snap caps for types 1 and 2 but for type 3 malfunctions, you rack the slide multiple times with no magazine in the weapon.

arizona98tj · 06-14-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BanditSRT8

Because the slide will lose some momentum as it strips the round off the top of the mag and inserts it into the chamber. This is the normal function of the gun as it is firing, so no damage could occur from it.

I would like to see the numbers (probably measured in foot pounds?) for a slide dropping on an empty chamber vs. one stripping a round from the mag as a result of the weapon just firing. It seems like the later would generate more force but that is just my guess.

Mercmar · 06-14-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by arizona98tj

Have you ever performed any malfunction drills? Granted you can do it with snap caps for types 1 and 2 but for type 3 malfunctions, you rack the slide multiple times with no magazine in the weapon.

When I "rack the slide multiple times," I don't release the slide. What's the point in releasing the slide on an empty chamber, anywho?

arizona98tj · 06-14-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercmar

When I "rack the slide multiple times," I don't release the slide. What's the point in releasing the slide on an empty chamber, anywho?

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you check the chamber between each time you rack the slide to see if it cleared? That would seem to add a significant amount of time to clearing the malfunction.

BanditSRT8 · 06-14-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by arizona98tj

I would like to see the numbers (probably measured in foot pounds?) for a slide dropping on an empty chamber vs. one stripping a round from the mag as a result of the weapon just firing. It seems like the later would generate more force but that is just my guess.

????

How? The forward momentum is slowed as the slide makes contact with the round and brings it up and out of the magazine. So by the time it comes to rest in battery it would have slowed down greatly because of this additional action, thus creating less of an impact when it slams home.

Dropping the slide on an empty chamber... there is nothing to slow the forward movement down until it slams shut.

arizona98tj · 06-14-2008, 03:22 PM

Don't drop the slide on an empty chamber.

xcpd69 · 06-14-2008, 09:30 PM

When a slide is released on any autoloading weapon, it moves forward until it is stopped and metal to metal contact occurs. The velocity of the slide will determine how much wear or damage is induced to the contacting parts.

A slide, stripping a round from a magazine, will strike it's stopping point with a much lower velocity than an unrestricted slide, thereby reducing any wear or damage to parts contacted at the stopping point.

Reducing wear or damage to a mechanical device is usually a good thing.

JMHO from an Armchair Commando.

P.S. Dropping a slide with a 1911 style extractor on a chambered round, as stated, is a bad idea as well, though it is be permissible on SOME styles of pivoting spring loaded extractors. (The AR style bolts come to mind)

CommieHunter · 06-14-2008, 10:37 PM

The XD reps answer seems ambiguous. He says "That is not really a good habit to get into, and it probably wouldn't hurt anything unless you do it a lot."

It seems to me that he said 'That' meaning easing the slide forward, is not a good habit to get into, as you may ease the slide forward while loading or while firing, and that isn't the way it's designed to operate.

The reason I believe this is what he's saying is because he says, 'It probably won't hurt anything unless you do it alot'. Meaning: Easing the slide forward isn't a good habit, and slamming the slide won't hurt anything unless you do it a a lot.

That's just he way I read it. I do understand English pretty well, and that's what it seems to say.

Can anyone get a clearer answer?

**Se2002** · 06-14-2008, 10:49 PM

Droping the slide on empty chamber and flipping a revolver cylinder closed are poor practices.

jblakk · 06-15-2008, 01:00 AM

I understand that dropping the slide stop is bad, because it rounds the corner of the slide that catches the slide stop, and can cause failure to lock back. But I cant imagine that the force of the slide is reduced that much since the slide under normal conditions cycles so fast that you almost cant see it. Some how I doubt that the tolerances are that close that 5 ft lbs of pressure(just an estimate)or so difference can literaly make or break the XD.

No that I advicate beating up your gun for no reason.

06-14-2008, 03:22 PM	#16
arizona98tj XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 308	Don't drop the slide on an empty chamber. __________________ "You must actually shoot what you intend to shoot. The more the better..." Bree www.stu-offroad.com

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xcpd69 XDTalk Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 46	When a slide is released on any autoloading weapon, it moves forward until it is stopped and metal to metal contact occurs. The velocity of the slide will determine how much wear or damage is induced to the contacting parts. A slide, stripping a round from a magazine, will strike it's stopping point with a much lower velocity than an unrestricted slide, thereby reducing any wear or damage to parts contacted at the stopping point. Reducing wear or damage to a mechanical device is usually a good thing. JMHO from an Armchair Commando. P.S. Dropping a slide with a 1911 style extractor on a chambered round, as stated, is a bad idea as well, though it is be permissible on SOME styles of pivoting spring loaded extractors. (The AR style bolts come to mind) __________________ Lonny Mama, take this badge off of me I can't use it anymore. It's gettin' dark, too dark to see I feel like I'm knockin' on heaven's door. Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most do. ~Dale Carnegie [1888-1955] Teacher, Writer Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out. ~ Originally posted by Boz

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jblakk XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 558	I understand that dropping the slide stop is bad, because it rounds the corner of the slide that catches the slide stop, and can cause failure to lock back. But I cant imagine that the force of the slide is reduced that much since the slide under normal conditions cycles so fast that you almost cant see it. Some how I doubt that the tolerances are that close that 5 ft lbs of pressure(just an estimate)or so difference can literaly make or break the XD. No that I advicate beating up your gun for no reason. __________________ -Everything in Moderation - Including moderation -God didn't make all people equal...Colt did. - Hadalgo Taurus bi-tone PT-111 millenium(9mm) SA XD-9 with Trijicon SA XD-40sc Ruger Secutity-Six 4" Bicentenial model(.357) Spikes Tactical AR-15 (5.56/.223)

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06-14-2008, 10:37 PM	#18
CommieHunter XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 206	The XD reps answer seems ambiguous. He says "That is not really a good habit to get into, and it probably wouldn't hurt anything unless you do it a lot." It seems to me that he said 'That' meaning easing the slide forward, is not a good habit to get into, as you may ease the slide forward while loading or while firing, and that isn't the way it's designed to operate. The reason I believe this is what he's saying is because he says, 'It probably won't hurt anything unless you do it alot'. Meaning: Easing the slide forward isn't a good habit, and slamming the slide won't hurt anything unless you do it a a lot. That's just he way I read it. I do understand English pretty well, and that's what it seems to say. Can anyone get a clearer answer?