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chrisxd45t · 06-04-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mcb

I don't know, 40S&W proponents seem to be getting more snobbish as time goes on...

**AZXD** · 06-04-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tally XD

This is correct according to that same article I mentioned, however, the man stated that he rarely saw cases where .357 was used in defensive or offensive shootings. Mostly his cases were bad guy against bad guy and were usually either 9mm or .38 special. He did say that over all .357 was the best at one shot kills simply because of its velocity causing a huge shockwave that in itself caused massive tissue damage even if it overpenetrated the target. Also, he said most suicides were done with larger caliber such as .44 mag or .357 mag due to certain statistics of age, occupation and gun ownership of the suicide victim.

His findings pointed him to .45acp because of its projectile being slow enough not to overpenetrate while dumping all of its energy into its target and the weight of the bullet being such that it had less tendency to deflect off of hard tissue and bone and go to its intended vital organ.

I can see the defensive/offensive aspect, if you ignore alll the LE data it probably is the 9mm and 38.
The 9mm is the most popular thing going right now and 38's are really cheap to buy on the street. It makes sense.

The FBI has a huge databank on this stuff, but I don't remember just where it's a located. It's based on years of forensic data and is probably the primary source for what you have read. I remember that is where I read about the 96% success of the 357

**AZXD** · 06-04-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tally XD

I dont understand why the .45acp brings so much vitreal to a thread. Just mention .45acp and you get all sorts of hatred and seemingly jealous comments about it.

In all honesty, I see more 9mm, 10mm and .40S&W owners/supporters that are much quicker to brag and boast than I see out of .45acp owners.

.45acp owners/supporters usually are more quiet about their caliber until asked and are far more supporting of other calibers as another choice.

Why do we catch the brunt of the aggression?

As far as capacity goes, 16 rounds versus 14 rounds (XD45) isnt that much difference. 14 rounds versus 8 rounds? Thats different.

Because someone asked, and caliber wars have been around longer than the oldest board member I know of.

I posted the 10mm on purpose. It's not a wussified 40 and we all know the 40 guys will do battle with the 45 guys all day long

So I upped the stakes a little bit.

Let the battle continue!!

Hey, how many rounds of 38 super will fit in a double stack with a 170mm magazine length anyway ??

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XDConvert9mm · 06-04-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AZXD

Because someone asked, and caliber wars have been around longer than the oldest board member I know of.

I posted the 10mm on purpose. It's not a wussified 40 and we all know the 40 guys will do battle with the 45 guys all day long

So I upped the stakes a little bit.

Let the battle continue!!

Hey, how many rounds of 38 super will fit in a double stack with a 170mm magazine length anyway ??

I've always though that the "speed" of the round was a pretty funny debate. How many BGs operate within x number of feet per thousandths of a second? I know this goes to accuracy via muzzle velocity but it still makes me chuckle.

exexpat93 · 06-04-2008, 11:59 PM

I'll take a Witness Compact Polymer with low profile sights in any caliber (if I can find one).

The Tengu · 06-05-2008, 12:02 AM

Oh yeah? I saw a guy a couple weeks ago that got shot in the middle of his forehead with a .45 ACP, and not only did he survive, he was perfectly conscious the entire time.

Stick THAT in your juice box and suck it!

**Alaskapopo** · 06-05-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CommieHunter

On the basis of the round and capacity only, would you pick?

13 of .45

OR

16 of .40

I prefer the 45.
Pat

Reno82 · 06-05-2008, 12:42 AM

I'm a 45 guy..... any bullet can glance off the forehead. I carry 11 plus 13 with a extra mag.

**1lowlife** · 06-05-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CommieHunter

Here's the reason it's limited:

I know I want an XD. I've handled many many handguns, and I like the features and the fit of the XD.
My choice is XD 45C or the new XDM.
The argument I've heard against the .45 is that it's a slow round, and that, at distance, the .40 is often more accurate.
The argument for the .45 is that it's been around forever, and it's a man's round. Mostly an emotional response (even though it is a bigger round, which I guess is the point).

Well..................
Since this thread went to sh!t....I'll expand my response.
I carry either 38sp +P, 9mm +p, or in 100 degree Texas heat I'll be carrying a 380 auto.
I feel more than comfy carrying any of the above.
BUT, I also have an XD45 Compact as a HD gun.

As far as the OP,
I've never liked the recoil of a 40cal in any handgun.
I once owned a Sig P229 in 40cal from the factory.
I bought a 357sig barrel for it and that is all I shot thru it until I sold it to buy my XD45 compact.
The 40cal recoil is too snappy and has too much muzzle flip (up).
The 45 ACP has more of a pleasant push back recoil IMHO.
These are just my opinions and I'm sure others will disagree.
I don't have any concern about the 45 being a Man's round considering the calibers I carry.
So my opinion isn't based on testosterone levels, I just don't like the 40cal recoil.
I love my XD45 compact.
If I could only own 1 XD, that would be the one.
But I prefer my XD9sc to carry all day.

The XDM looks nice although I've never handled one.
Hold both pistols and see what feels best in your hand....
Which ever one it is.............there is your answer.

I'll support your decision either way..............

Or make it easy on yourself and buy both...........

Please let us know what you end up with............XOXOXOXO

Black Bullitt · 06-05-2008, 04:40 AM

I own a .40 service and love it. It's a little easier on the pocket book than the .45, but not by much. I also have a springfield fully loaded 1911 and I love taking that to the range as well. I can tell you though that I am more accurate with my XD than I am with the 1911. I took my neighbor out to the range with me and he ended up being more accurate with my 1911 than I was, but I could get him with my XD. I can't say I could really choose between the two. Both calibers have pros and cons and in a self defense situation none of "this caliber is better than this caliber" will matter. I say go with what feels better in your hand. Someone mentioned fire both if possible. That's really going to tell you what's best for you, because one well placed shot > than caliber. My personal perference is to carry my XD40, because I know I'm more accurate with it, not because I have 12+1 versus my 1911 that is 7+1. It's all perference to me and what works the best.

Awwww, crap I'm rambling.

06-04-2008, 11:59 PM	#35
exexpat93 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 179	Witness I'll take a Witness Compact Polymer with low profile sights in any caliber (if I can find one).

06-05-2008, 12:02 AM	#36
The Tengu XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 1,773	Oh yeah? I saw a guy a couple weeks ago that got shot in the middle of his forehead with a .45 ACP, and not only did he survive, he was perfectly conscious the entire time. Stick THAT in your juice box and suck it! __________________ The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. United States Code, Title 10, section 311, paragraph (a)

06-05-2008, 12:42 AM	#38
Reno82 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,254	I'm a 45 guy..... any bullet can glance off the forehead. I carry 11 plus 13 with a extra mag. __________________ XD-45acp Service (Match Gun I changed it to a compact for CCW... did a grip chop on it) Ruger Mark III 22/45 Kimber SS Custom Target II 10mm Walther G22 (FUN GUN) XD-45acp Tactical (Match Gun II; upgraded the bbl from PistolGear) XD-9 Sub-Compact (Home Defense and CCW) DPMS AR-15: 9mm (1/17/08...) RRA CAR A4 Upper 223/5.56---did a lower bulid 6/3/08 and bought completed upper 2/21/08 S&W 642 38 special w/ CT grips (HD& CCW) Upper ALEX ARMS 19.5" 6.5 GRENDEL-order 9/9/08

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06-05-2008, 04:40 AM	#40
Black Bullitt XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 223	I own a .40 service and love it. It's a little easier on the pocket book than the .45, but not by much. I also have a springfield fully loaded 1911 and I love taking that to the range as well. I can tell you though that I am more accurate with my XD than I am with the 1911. I took my neighbor out to the range with me and he ended up being more accurate with my 1911 than I was, but I could get him with my XD. I can't say I could really choose between the two. Both calibers have pros and cons and in a self defense situation none of "this caliber is better than this caliber" will matter. I say go with what feels better in your hand. Someone mentioned fire both if possible. That's really going to tell you what's best for you, because one well placed shot > than caliber. My personal perference is to carry my XD40, because I know I'm more accurate with it, not because I have 12+1 versus my 1911 that is 7+1. It's all perference to me and what works the best. Awwww, crap I'm rambling.