Carry with 1 in Chamber?

[R/T Performance]

Originally Posted by CommieHunter

I have two magazines, one rides on my hip as a spare.

I unload one magazine every night. One spring gets a rest, the other magazine is in the gun, but the round has been removed from the chamber.

I reload the whole magazine in the morning, so the same round doesn't get loaded day in and day out. I chamber a round when I go out.


Because I shoot those two mags of carry ammo out when I get a chance to go to the range, I don't worry about getting bullet set-back, because I load random rounds into the chamber, and I won't be carrying these same rounds 6 mo. from now.

do a search on springs somtime
you are actully stressing it more with your practice.
the compression(flexing and unflexing is what creates wear)At least everything i have ever found.

[adamlau]

Condition 3 for HD. I favor the audible racking of the slide as a deterrent in HD situations.

[ppmd]

Originally Posted by R/T Performance

Dam i just cant shut up tonight.
Not sure how many of you do this like I do.
I carry 24/7 (aka in nightstand when sleeping)
Almost 8 years now.
I often get into a conversion about ccw and what i have on
#1 rule never pass a loaded gun
so i often drop mag jack round and let someone feel or handle my ccw piece unloaded of course.
So that top round in the mag get chamberd and insert back in mag which after sevral times wrickles at least the top three rounds.
BE aware of this when you notice it is time to shoot them up and load some fresh in there.

Slightly off topic:

R/T Performance - I consider Concealed Carry = Discreet Carry. I hesitate letting anyone know if/when I am carrying, let alone what I am carrying.

That said, it's one round in the pipe all the time when the XD is on me.

Be safe.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by ppmd

Slightly off topic:

R/T Performance - I consider Concealed Carry = Discreet Carry. I hesitate letting anyone know if/when I am carrying, let alone what I am carrying.

That said, it's one round in the pipe all the time when the XD is on me.

Be safe.

Well since this is an anonomious forum it does not really matter who he tells. Frankly I carry all the time as well. The one time you don't carry is the one time you will need it.
pat

[captdude]

Are you sure you want to give away your position of concealment in the house by racking the slide???

[R/T Performance]

Originally Posted by ppmd

Slightly off topic:

R/T Performance - I consider Concealed Carry = Discreet Carry. I hesitate letting anyone know if/when I am carrying, let alone what I am carrying.

That said, it's one round in the pipe all the time when the XD is on me.

Be safe.

For those of you who don't know me well i run a little auto shop out in the sticks of Mich.
Most my customers are friends Someknow some don't.
I don't go to a partyand say hey everyone look my new 1911.
But often a disscussion will break out between me and a friend about what you can conceal.Bieng i am a tall skinny ass 6'3 165#
Most are shocked i have a 4" fullsize grip 1911 and my shirt tucked in

Originally Posted by captdude

Are you sure you want to give away your position of concealment in the house by racking the slide???

Good point also the though a sound will scare away some.That is there to do you harm .is alot like the thought of a laser on his chest will make him run. when most the teens in the Us have one on there key ring

[mrosamilia]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Well since this is an anonomious forum it does not really matter who he tells. Frankly I carry all the time as well. The one time you don't carry is the one time you will need it.
pat

I agree I always have it and I also to keep with the topic do not keep one in the pipe. It's just personal preference I too like the sound of the slide racking.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by mrosamilia

I agree I always have it and I also to keep with the topic do not keep one in the pipe. It's just personal preference I too like the sound of the slide racking.

You may not have the time to rack the slide in real life. Its your right to chose that method but its not wise.
Pat

[cznut]

Originally Posted by AZXD40

The XD was built with redundant safety mechanisms to make it as safe as possible to carry chambered. Allot of people have a hard time training there minds to believe the gun wont go off unless the trigger is pulled. But it is True. The gun wont go off unless the trigger is pulled.

Having to deal with an extra step in a defensive situation can be a deal breaker.

Of course it is Just MHO..

this is very true. I took my XD/SC40 to the range and pulled the trigger without the grip safety and nothing, played with the trigger safety and nothing. I even pointed it down range and dropped it a few times and nothing happened. It would only fire when I held it right and squeezed the trigger.

[agmed]

Originally Posted by D-FENS

Handguns for self defense always have one in the chamber. I understand the need to test the theory for yourself though. After you feel comfortable and only if you are comfortable with your equipment should you carry with one in the chamber. I would recommend buying a firearm that you are confident enough with to carry loaded.


Shotguns are a different story. This is what I was told many years ago.
This may not apply any more due to all the drop test requirements today.
I was able to find this quote. I was told this same thing by an old police officer when I started hunting.

"Remember that no shotguns have internal firing pin locks. This means that if a shell is in the chamber and the gun is struck sharply against a hard object at either muzzle or butt end, inertia can cause the firing pin to bounce forward against its spring and unintentionally fire the shotgun.
This is why shotguns in police cars are ALWAYS kept with loaded magazines but empty firing chambers. For the same reasons, a shotgun stored loaded in the home for family defense should be a magazine-type weapon kept with its firing chamber empty. It is customary to hunt with rounds in the guns’ chambers, and this is why the “Ten Commandments of Firearms Safety” for hunters includes admonitions to unload the gun and set it down before crossing fences, and to always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction."

Firearms handling refresher Part II: Shotguns by Massad Ayoob I031221

Thanks D-DENS,

I'd either forgotten or not known about shotgun firing pins. I have an 870 loaded with an empty chamber hidden pretty well in the master bedroom, but this was preference rather than being smart. (Hiding places worked: it survived a home burglary, as did the pistols) Now to the topic point.

+1 on carrying out of the home with a round chambered. When I had my CCW, that's how the Sig 228 and Keltec where carried. IMHO, if a gun can't be trusted (meaning has reliable safeties) for loaded carry, you should not carry it (and I would not buy it except as a collection item). Personally, I don't like active safeties as it is another thing to remember to do when you draw (no offense to the 1911, a fine weapon, and many use it well with good training). What I like about the XDs and the other pistols I have is that they won't shoot unless you pull trigger and that is the safety. Compared to the other pistols I have, the extra grip safety of the XD is a nice bonus. Now the only training is to never grab/draw so as to put the finger on the trigger until the muzzle begins sweeping the target, period. This is something my simple brain can handle.

Now, what about home at night? Well depends on your home. Our home now has good double paned windows and dead bolted doors with alarmed glass break and door sensors so no one can get in with setting off all kinds of noise. I'm now considering having the pistol in the bedroom Gunvault with the chamber empty but loading mag in. I have a pistol in a hidden Gunvault near the front door for the situation where you come home and it appears a break-in may have happened. (Been there). That pistol has a loaded mag and an empty chamber. I want the sound of racking for that situation.

OK, what about daytime around the house. Well that depends on the area and your climate. I don't carry and did not even when I had my CCW since we live in suburbs and daytime risk is/was pretty close to zero. However if I was carrying for some reason, one would be in the pipe. If it was more isolated, I'd probably carry, but I sweat like a pig when working so I'd have to keep the KelTec drenched in oil. (sorry about the harsh visual image)

Someone raised the issue of your carry rounds having the bullets shift from repeated chambering. I've not paid much attention to this except to shoot off those rounds and replace them every few years. Never had a misfire so far. OTOH, a good practice would be to check the O.A.L with a caliper and discard any round that seems short. I may start doing this.

cheers all, and thanks for good info as usual

alan