CCW Reciprocity - Immediate Action Please!!!!

[Boanerge]

Senator Vitter To Offer Concealed Carry Reciprocity Amendment
-- Action needed right away!

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
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Tuesday, May 13, 2008


Senator David Vitter (R-LA) has filed a pro-gun amendment to HR 980, and it
could be voted on as early as tomorrow!

This amendment would protect the right of citizens to carry concealed
weapons (outside of their home state) in states that allow concealed carry.

Sen. Vitter explains that his amendment does not violate the rights of
states as it "does NOT establish national standards for concealed
carry, nor
does it provide for a national carry permit."

In other words, the Vitter amendment specifically says that state laws
concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried
shall be followed. "My amendment will not federalize concealed carry
permits but simply requires concealed carry permits to be recognized in
other states that allow concealed carry permits," Vitter said.

This is a real reciprocity provision which grants citizens the
"full faith
and credit" protection that is guaranteed in Article IV of the
Constitution.
Section 1 of this article says:

* Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts,
* Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress
* may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records, and
* Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Vitter says that this constitutional provision authorizes the Congress to
pass legislation forcing each state to recognize the "public
Acts" of other
states. So if states are not willing to recognize another state's laws,
Congress has the authority to pass laws to require recognition of those
measures.

It's just like with driver's licenses. If certain states refused to honor
the driver's licenses of citizens in other states, Congress could pass
legislation (under Article IV) to require every state to honor all licenses.


ACTION: Please urge your Senators to vote for the Vitter amendment to HR
980 to protect the right to carry concealed firearms outside of your home
state.

You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators the pre-written
e-mail message below. And, you can call your Senators at 202-224-3121 or
toll-free at 1-877-762-8762.

[Blind Bat]

I don't know how I feel about this. The amendment would make a great law by itself but I don't like it when politicians try to tack stuff onto bills that have little or nothing to do with the proposed amendment. Ex. Real ID tacked into a supplemental spending bill for the troops.

HR 980 would give public safety employees the right to organize (ie. unionize).
H.R. 980: Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)

Here is the amendment being discussed:
GovTrack: S.Amdt. 4757 to H.R. 980 -- 110th Congress


The last amendment yesterday was proposed by Barbara Boxer of CA but it wasn't brought to the floor (I guess) so there isn't a record of what she was proposing.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Blind Bat

I don't know how I feel about this. The amendment would make a great law by itself but I don't like it when politicians try to tack stuff onto bills that have little or nothing to do with the proposed amendment. Ex. Real ID tacked into a supplemental spending bill for the troops.

HR 980 would give public safety employees the right to organize (ie. unionize).
H.R. 980: Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)

Here is the amendment being discussed:
GovTrack: S.Amdt. 4757 to H.R. 980 -- 110th Congress



The last amendment yesterday was proposed by Barbara Boxer of CA but it wasn't brought to the floor (I guess) so there isn't a record of what she was proposing.

You can bet Boxers amendments says...."shall not be valid in California".

[Prometheus]

I haven't read this yet, but the author is leaving a big problem as I see it...

"concealed carry permit"... WTF!??! Most states don't have them.

Were talking about laws here, not a bunch of yahoo's on the internet who call their permits/licenses "CCW's" as in the document is the concealed carry weapon. Terminology is key.

Between permits and licenses, concealed only permits/licenses, blanket carry permits/licenses, handgun only ect. ect.

Leaves alot open for interpretation and/or confusion.

Unlike the nra I trust the GOA to get this right, so hopefully my concern is off base.

What we need is a for Congress to enforce the Constitution and make all laws prohibiting the exercise of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (as enumerated in the 2A) null and void.

No more stupid permits or licenses. Just carry.

[Palmguy]

Have you actually read the amendment or are you just assuming?

Originally Posted by Vitter Amendment

``(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be
carried.
``(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in
which firearms may not be carried.''.

[Ed Ely]

I do not like it!

The Commonwealth of Kentucky already
recognizes any and all CC licenses and
permits from other states.

Vitter is doing nothing new except getting
the Feds involved.

Frankly, when I read the amendment over
the second time, I see nothing but double
talk, double talk.

Ed

[gdkeys]

While I'm not against the legislation, I'm not sure it has much benefit - given the current state of reciprocity between states.

In regards to the statement:

""concealed carry permit"... WTF!??! Most states don't have them. "

As I understand it, the MAJORITY of the 50 states have provision for concealed carry permits. Depending on the source, 39 states are 'shall-issue' states, 9 are may issue, and 2 (Wisconsin and Illinois) have no provision for concealed carry permits.

I believe the following site has the most up to date information on permitting and reciprocity.

Handgunlaw.us

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by gdkeys

In regards to the statement:

""concealed carry permit"... WTF!??! Most states don't have them. "

As I understand it, the MAJORITY of the 50 states have provision for concealed carry permits. Depending on the source, 39 states are 'shall-issue' states, 9 are may issue, and 2 (Wisconsin and Illinois) have no provision for concealed carry permits.

Please see the next sentence:

Were talking about laws here, not a bunch of yahoo's on the internet who call their permits/licenses "CCW's" as in the document is the concealed carry weapon. Terminology is key.

They aren't all "concealed carry permits"... I can't tell you how many numbskulls here in Indiana alone call their License To Carry a Handgun a "ccw" or "concealed weapons permit". It isn't. Want to abbreviate? call it a LTCH here in Indiana. Same goes for many other states.

My point is/was we have a bunch of yahoo's running around who don't even know what the laws are or what the silly card they carry is. There IS a difference.

While 48 states have some sort of carry license/permit for handguns most of those are NOT concealed weapons permits or concealed weapons licenses.

Remember all the crap that has gone down due to just BATFE interpretation of crappy laws that have been on the books for decades now newly interpreted?

This isn't some silly argument over "clip vs magazine" thing, we are talking about laws, codes, regulations and things that will get you thrown in jail or things that will make the fedgov own state carry laws/licenses.

As much as I'd love to Carry nation wide, I don't want the fedgov into yet another area they will undoubtedly muck up.

The states are continuing to hash it out and as time progresses more and more will continue to honor more and more.

If congress should be doing anything it's enforcing the 2A and saying states CANNOT restrict the carry of firearms. Says so right in the Second Amendment.

[dutchmaster151]

yay I moved up to NJ where my FL CCW permit does not mean beans. Still have my FL drivers licence so that would work for me

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Please see the next sentence:


They aren't all "concealed carry permits"... I can't tell you how many numbskulls here in Indiana alone call their License To Carry a Handgun a "ccw" or "concealed weapons permit". It isn't. Want to abbreviate? call it a LTCH here in Indiana. Same goes for many other states.

My point is/was we have a bunch of yahoo's running around who don't even know what the laws are or what the silly card they carry is. There IS a difference.

While 48 states have some sort of carry license/permit for handguns most of those are NOT concealed weapons permits or concealed weapons licenses.

Remember all the crap that has gone down due to just BATFE interpretation of crappy laws that have been on the books for decades now newly interpreted?

This isn't some silly argument over "clip vs magazine" thing, we are talking about laws, codes, regulations and things that will get you thrown in jail or things that will make the fedgov own state carry laws/licenses.

As much as I'd love to Carry nation wide, I don't want the fedgov into yet another area they will undoubtedly muck up.

The states are continuing to hash it out and as time progresses more and more will continue to honor more and more.

If congress should be doing anything it's enforcing the 2A and saying states CANNOT restrict the carry of firearms. Says so right in the Second Amendment.

Go read my previous post in this thread.