Oh man... hectic night last night....

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by invssgt

You done OK, considering the circumstances. My only suggestion would be that when someone says they are going for their gun, and you already have yours, I would give a loud warning something like this:

"I am legally armed. If you produce a weapon, I am going to shoot you."

You know I seriously thought about saying this.. but I didnt want him to take that as a threat. I didn't want him to get all pissy.. oh you have a gun let me get mine. BUt I DID seriously think about saying this.. but everything was happening so fast, I was just worried about my Jen and Kay.. I could have cared less if he would have struck me or attacked me.. as long as you don't touch my loved ones.

[sturmruger]

Whenever I hear a story like this the one the one thing I would have done differantly would be to not get out of the car. There is absolutely no upside to getting out of the car when you have someone who is unhinged like this guys was. You are opening yourself up to get assualted and possible your wife and daughter. STAY IN THE CAR with the windows up.

I would have pulled my cellphone out and dialed 911 and then wait to hit the call button. Show him the phone with 911 on the screen. I bet 95% most people will leave once they see that you are not going to reciprocate their bad behavior.

In this type of situation my plan is to stay in the car until they loose interest and leave. They can call me every name in the book and I would just turn on the radio and ignore them. In MN we can not be an active participant in any type of altercation. WE have to try to diffuse the situation and leave. Yelling and cursing is not recomended. You want any and all witnesses to say that you were as calm and quite as a lamb, and that Mr Crazy was the only one at fault.

I am glad that you were prepared to defend your family, but some of your actions escalated the situation which can be a bad thing if you end up shooting someone. Sorry to Monday morning quarterback so much, but that is what you will get when you post in on the internet.

[XD BACKUP GUN]

Originally Posted by Captain Ray

No, you did not handle it well.. The "WTF Buddy?!" remark was not wise.. and if I had a woman and a 13 month old near a person who was engaging me with his/'her road rage.. my first instinct would be to get the woman and child to a safe place.

You were in control the entire time, because you were carrying. It seems to me that your first job would be to shepard the two vulnerable individuals to safety... no matter what the punk said or did, save had he got that gun out of his jeep... the you would have had to shoot him. I doubt very much that you would want your woman or 13 month old to see you do something like that.

Raymond

+1
You did not handle it well at all......but that is me talking about an incident that I was not their to see....just my 2 cents

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by packing_in_la

I am sure you can figure out what you did wrong. The "wtf" comment escalated the situation, but you backed down and he continued to be the aggressor...you were in the right, but barely.

Let me explain my self a little better.. sorry I now realize this is a nice topic of conversation and I am going to explain to the T the very beginning.




When I slammed on my breaks.. I throw up my arms and was "like" wtf is going on, or what are you doing, or just what the hell...

He returned the hands and when I fully passed him he started following me.


Now-


We parked... I looked in my mirrors I see his jeep screech to a hault right behind my truck blocking me in.. he gets out of his car and is heading up to my me.. and I got out and walked up to him, met him right behind my truck.



The first words was

HIM-"Why are you throwing your hands up me little punk? Who the **** do you think you are?" ****takes a step closer to my face and is like maybe 6 inches from me and moving closer****



ME- "Do you not know how to drive in a parkinglot buddy, what the **** is your problem?" then I said "get out of my face step back from me"



him- "what are you going to do about it punk? huh what are you going to do about it??"




Then thats when I started to push him off me because he came closer, and after me pushing him off me he didnt pursue that as a threat thats when he directed his attention to Jenni and was screaming at her... so after that I got back in his face and then you can read the rest in the first post.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by sturmruger

Whenever I hear a story like this the one the one thing I would have done differantly would be to not get out of the car. There is absolutely no upside to getting out of the car when you have someone who is unhinged like this guys was. You are opening yourself up to get assualted and possible your wife and daughter. STAY IN THE CAR with the windows up.

I would have pulled my cellphone out and dialed 911 and then wait to hit the call button. Show him the phone with 911 on the screen. I bet 95% most people will leave once they see that you are not going to reciprocate their bad behavior.

In this type of situation my plan is to stay in the car until they loose interest and leave. They can call me every name in the book and I would just turn on the radio and ignore them. In MN we can not be an active participant in any type of altercation. WE have to try to diffuse the situation and leave. Yelling and cursing is not recomended. You want any and all witnesses to say that you were as calm and quite as a lamb, and that Mr Crazy was the only one at fault.

I am glad that you were prepared to defend your family, but some of your actions escalated the situation which can be a bad thing if you end up shooting someone. Sorry to Monday morning quarterback so much, but that is what you will get when you post in on the internet.

I agree with you too, I should have stayed in the car.. but I think all of us have a bit of road rage and thinking most of the times people are just all talk, that we would have stepped out the vechile to realize what was going on...


NOW

I did not think it was going to be like this when I stepped out of the vechile.



I did repeatedly stepped back in my vechile asking for jenni to follow but she couldnt hear me from me being inside and her being on the outside trying to get to KAY and get her out of there..



SO yes, I tried twice to get bacvk in my car to sit there or even just to leave and circle the block till he got bored or left... BUT he did block me in with his jeep.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by XD BACKUP GUN

+1
You did not handle it well at all......but that is me talking about an incident that I was not their to see....just my 2 cents

then you tell me how I was suppose to handle this??

I have explained my self to the T in every aspect. I tried to grab my child out of her car seat but he was getting closer to me and to my daughter, so I stopped and closed the door. I tried to get back in my vechile, but Jenni wouldnt follow on the other side, so what am I suppose to do??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Sit in the car with her running out side trying to get Kay out and him out there yelling at her?!!? Um no, I stepped back out because he was still yelling.


Lastly I believe I did everything right, I remained calm, I didnt pull, I didn't show, nothing.

Also my cell phone was in the diaper bag that jenni had around her shoulder.

Now that I think about this more and more, I think I handled this well... Tell me how it should have went then.



Oh and let me tell you this.... I was screaming at the end to call the cops and there were employee's walking out of BABY-R-Us...I was mainly focused on them.. I was yelling "can you call the cop?!?!" There ****ing response was "What for?!?" and kept walking on about their business to there cars because their shift was over and ****....

Then I looked around and started yelling it out everywhere.. I guess thats what made him get in his jeep and take off like a bat of hell....

[sturmruger]

Now while I am sitting in the car if he was crazy enough to break a window or get a tire iron. I would have warned him, and then shot his ass.

With you being blocked in you have absolutely no avenue for escape so you would have had to shoot him.

[Vtwin]

I think it's hard to be in a situation and then later ask for exceptence or opinions. You did what you thought was right.

This shouldn't turn into a slam Lucky thread, but instead turn into hey, you could've done this or hey, next time try and do this...

We should be here to help the others out..

[bd]

With my wife and a child in the vehicle with me and an obviously agitated dumbass approaching I think I might have exited the vehcle to meet him.

Especially since he had me blocked in.

I wouldn't have wanted to chance a confrontation from my driver's seat with my loved ones right beside me not knowing if or how this idiot was armed.

Had I been alone I might have reacted differently.

As sturmruger said, it's all Monday morning quarterbacking.

Again I commend you for not slapping the crap out of the guy and escalating the situation.

bd

[Captain Ray]

I hope you will remember, that I posted only to your original post. I only had that to go by at the time. After reading your followup comments I think you reacted like any good gun-totin' American.

Hindsight is always 20/20.. there are some things you could have done better, but at the end of the day.. you did not get hurt, and Jennie and your child are all safe. Plus.. you didn't have to shoot anybody.

I think that is where my primary focus is... the woman and the baby. Of course if your woman is anything like mine.. who thinks she is ivincible as long as I am nearby to protect her.. who will tell a jerk what a jerk he is because "my man won't let anything happen to me!!!" These things just happen... and you are left to deal with it.



Raymond