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FatMatt1981 · 07-13-2005, 01:22 PM

I was just thinkin if it'd be a good idea of rotating the rounds in my mags while using for carry.
Just curious as to how many people do this.
I've heard stories about some hollows not goin through heavy clothing etc.
Thanks for the info
I normally carry 124gr Gold Dots, but have some really nice Nato rounds that I could throw in with em just in case.....same grainage.

Captain Ray · 07-13-2005, 01:41 PM

Actually, I do the same thing, kind of...

My Carry round is Federal 147 gr. JHP.. My primary mag (The one in the pistol) has 15 rounds of that ammuntion.

If (and I mean "if" because I rarely do) carry my back-up-mag holster with me.. (it holds two mags.) they are topped off with five rounds of the carry ammo, and ten rounds each of UMC, WWB, or whatever FMJ round I am plinking with at the time.

The way I figure it.. If I get through the first 15 +1 rounds of the carry round and that doesn't do the job.. The next 30 rounds I have on me will be a matter of quantity and not quality.

I have considered staggering the back-up-mags 2/1.. but the plinking rounds have a very different feel to them. I am not sure which is really the better method.

Raymond

therooster · 07-13-2005, 02:09 PM

i rotate too.

Winchester Ranger SXT
Whichester White Box
Winchester Ranger SXT
Winchester White Box
ect.
ect.

you get the pattern.

willbond · 07-13-2005, 02:25 PM

I load alternate rounds in my Kel-Tec 380, Hydrashocks and FMJ's or CorBons and FMJ's. I do the same in my 9x18 Makarov. Anything 9x19mm and up I just use good JHP's, usually Corbons, Starfires, Hornadys or Hydrashocks.

FatMatt1981 · 07-13-2005, 02:39 PM

I appreciate the opinions. I've been pondering this for quite awhile now.
Just never asked about it till now.

The Knight Of Light · 07-13-2005, 04:26 PM

Well all the research points to using the most reliable ammo in whatever firearm you carry. So if your "whatever" box ammo works the best and is the most accurate, then that is what you should carry. I was reading Massad Ayoob's edition of the Gun Digest Bok Of Combat Handgunnery and he says the most reliable hollow points are not allways the heaviest ones. Like 124+p is so far the most reliable manstopper of the 9mm size. If you want to rotate then go ahead. Just make sure the ammo is more than reliable for you handgun, and do research on your chosen hollow point design. Personally I carry 124+p Gold dot ammo in my 9mm highpower. I have found the gold dot to be the most reliable design next to the Star-fire from PMC. I just can't find any locally. The book also state that most police agencies have stopped using the 147gr HP because of raliability issues as far as expantion goes. So for the answer to you question of Hardball vs HP rotaions? Make sure there are HPs in the mag and you will not go wrong.

mcone · 07-13-2005, 05:55 PM

I cycle my JHP about every month or two.

Two goals:

1 - To get fresh ammo into the XD.

2 - To learn which JHP works the best in the XD40.

Goal 2 supercedes. Have been carrying for about a year, and have so many tests to perform.

Hornady 155 grn JHP/XTP is the most accurate ammo for my XD 40 so far. Going to try TAP soon.

-Mike

TeamXD · 07-13-2005, 06:23 PM

no need to rotate all 15 rounds 147 gr. Black Talon. Makes life simple.

dogjaw · 07-13-2005, 06:58 PM

Just stay away from the goofy gimicks, and go with Gold Dot, Black Hills (Gold Dot bullets) Ranger, Golden Saber rounds. The problem with a hollow point bullet is not that it won't go through clothing, but that the nose cavity can get clogged and will not expand, thus over penetration, not under penetration. A plugged nose cavity can act the same as a fmj (over penetration without expansion. I see no useful purpose to mixing rounds. Pick a reputable round that functions 100% in your weapon. Keep it simple and reliable.

The Knight Of Light · 07-13-2005, 11:24 PM

Dogjaw says

Quote:

A plugged nose cavity can act the same as a fmj (over penetration without expansion.

He’s got it right; Gimmicks are for days past when there were no reliable Hollow points available. With newer designs and better metal usage (bonded bullets, plated softer leads).
Personally 15 holes poked in the bad guy is better than 15 holes poked in you. 15 rounds, god if you get off that many rounds you are at war! That’s not s fire fight that is all out war. Even with a fail to stop drill I can't see needing that many rounds. So I would carry whatever the heck I wanted. Especially what I have confidence in as my defensive ammo. Think about the shooting that happened in Compton weeks ago. 93 rounds and the suspect (in a suburban) was hit 3 times. Oh yeah and one cop was hit by crossfire. Just remember you can stagger or you can go with one ammo only, but my opinion is you should carry high quality Hollow point ammo in you firearm.

07-13-2005, 01:22 PM	#1
FatMatt1981 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,467	"Staggering mags" fmj then jhp? I was just thinkin if it'd be a good idea of rotating the rounds in my mags while using for carry. Just curious as to how many people do this. I've heard stories about some hollows not goin through heavy clothing etc. Thanks for the info I normally carry 124gr Gold Dots, but have some really nice Nato rounds that I could throw in with em just in case.....same grainage. __________________ \"Through strength, we deter tyranny\" ICVM OD XD-40 4\" Black on black XD-9 4\"

07-13-2005, 01:41 PM	#2
Captain Ray XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,693	Actually, I do the same thing, kind of... My Carry round is Federal 147 gr. JHP.. My primary mag (The one in the pistol) has 15 rounds of that ammuntion. If (and I mean "if" because I rarely do) carry my back-up-mag holster with me.. (it holds two mags.) they are topped off with five rounds of the carry ammo, and ten rounds each of UMC, WWB, or whatever FMJ round I am plinking with at the time. The way I figure it.. If I get through the first 15 +1 rounds of the carry round and that doesn't do the job.. The next 30 rounds I have on me will be a matter of quantity and not quality. I have considered staggering the back-up-mags 2/1.. but the plinking rounds have a very different feel to them. I am not sure which is really the better method. Raymond __________________ \"I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for that day.\" ~Abraham Lincoln~

07-13-2005, 02:09 PM	#3
therooster XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: houston TX Posts: 1,669	i rotate too. Winchester Ranger SXT Whichester White Box Winchester Ranger SXT Winchester White Box ect. ect. you get the pattern. __________________ live with honor, and let not your death be born by the pallbearers of disgrace, cruelty, weakness, and fear. - Justin Smith in a letter to Lt. Col. Dave Grossman TXDPSA

07-13-2005, 02:25 PM	#4
willbond XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC Posts: 547	I load alternate rounds in my Kel-Tec 380, Hydrashocks and FMJ's or CorBons and FMJ's. I do the same in my 9x18 Makarov. Anything 9x19mm and up I just use good JHP's, usually Corbons, Starfires, Hornadys or Hydrashocks. __________________ XD357 2 Pairs of Cuffs 2 Cans of O.C. Spray Minivan w/remote activated side door. 12 year old son with Red Belt in Tae Kwon Do 12 year old XTreme Duty Shih Tzu with skin condition

07-13-2005, 02:39 PM	#5
FatMatt1981 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,467	I appreciate the opinions. I've been pondering this for quite awhile now. Just never asked about it till now. __________________ \"Through strength, we deter tyranny\" ICVM OD XD-40 4\" Black on black XD-9 4\"

07-13-2005, 04:26 PM	#6
The Knight Of Light XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 8,833 Blog Entries: 12	Well all the research points to using the most reliable ammo in whatever firearm you carry. So if your "whatever" box ammo works the best and is the most accurate, then that is what you should carry. I was reading Massad Ayoob's edition of the Gun Digest Bok Of Combat Handgunnery and he says the most reliable hollow points are not allways the heaviest ones. Like 124+p is so far the most reliable manstopper of the 9mm size. If you want to rotate then go ahead. Just make sure the ammo is more than reliable for you handgun, and do research on your chosen hollow point design. Personally I carry 124+p Gold dot ammo in my 9mm highpower. I have found the gold dot to be the most reliable design next to the Star-fire from PMC. I just can't find any locally. The book also state that most police agencies have stopped using the 147gr HP because of raliability issues as far as expantion goes. So for the answer to you question of Hardball vs HP rotaions? Make sure there are HPs in the mag and you will not go wrong. __________________ No Matter Where You Go, There You Are. USPSA #L3077 What a great number!!! http://theknightoflight.blogspot.com/ Creator of TOP 'O' THE PAGE!!! Moose Fight

07-13-2005, 05:55 PM	#7
mcone XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 263	I cycle my JHP about every month or two. Two goals: 1 - To get fresh ammo into the XD. 2 - To learn which JHP works the best in the XD40. Goal 2 supercedes. Have been carrying for about a year, and have so many tests to perform. Hornady 155 grn JHP/XTP is the most accurate ammo for my XD 40 so far. Going to try TAP soon. -Mike

07-13-2005, 06:23 PM	#8
TeamXD XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 200	no need to rotate all 15 rounds 147 gr. Black Talon. Makes life simple. __________________ I never enjoyed killing. It was my job. It was important that i did it well. If there was ever a meaningful thing about numbers......... It would be the number of lives that i saved. Not the number i took. Carlos Norman Hathcock II (USMC)

07-13-2005, 06:58 PM	#9
dogjaw XDTalk Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 56	Just stay away from the goofy gimicks, and go with Gold Dot, Black Hills (Gold Dot bullets) Ranger, Golden Saber rounds. The problem with a hollow point bullet is not that it won't go through clothing, but that the nose cavity can get clogged and will not expand, thus over penetration, not under penetration. A plugged nose cavity can act the same as a fmj (over penetration without expansion. I see no useful purpose to mixing rounds. Pick a reputable round that functions 100% in your weapon. Keep it simple and reliable.

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