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davidk · 06-23-2005, 06:16 PM

23 June 05

SA XD

I attended part of the SA XD Armorer's Class yesterday. It is clear
that SA is making a sincere effort to get the XD accepted by the police
community as an legitimate, duty gun. As I've said in the past, XDs we're had in classes have all worked fine.

However, real problems made themselves apparent during the class.
Glocks, even at the armorer level, are nearly impossible to reassemble wrong. Glock parts are designed to fit together only one way. When they don't fit together, that is a hint that you are doing it incorrectly. SA
engineers need to take note. A number of XD parts can be easily put in place backwards and/or upside down, with no clue that assembly is inappropriate. When assemble is complete, the pistol won't work. In fact, the is one blind hole, designed to receive a pin. If the pin inadvertently goes in backward, it cannot be removed and must be drilled out!

If SA is serious about making inroads into the police market, they are going to have to make engineering changes in the XD that make the job of the armorer less tedious. The XD is a good gun, but it is not up to Glock standards yet.

John

one-eyed-fatman · 06-23-2005, 06:53 PM

Only a dork or a first time (semi auto) shooter could screw up a simple field strip on an XD.

reesegr · 06-23-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Only a dork or a first time (semi auto) shooter could screw up a simple field strip on an XD.

I don't know for sure..but it sounds like he's talking about much more than a field strip...cuz your right..and idiot can do it...i know...i did it!

glfpunk · 06-23-2005, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one-eyed-fatman

Only a dork or a first time (semi auto) shooter could screw up a simple field strip on an XD.

Did you read the post?

davidk · 06-23-2005, 08:09 PM

some people cant read...I guess it takes two eyes.

Farnum is not talking about a field stripping but a complete dissasembly

USMC-PRIDE · 06-23-2005, 08:26 PM

GLOCK GOOD...... XD BAD........Yeah we get it. Never a problem with glocks,always problems with XD. Did he call SA engineers or just expect them to read his article and make the fixes he mentions??

one-eyed-fatman · 06-23-2005, 08:33 PM

So your talking about an armorer who is to stupid to figure it out. I see. Your here gripping because you were not bright enough to pass the class? Or did you just read someone else's BS and come here to grip. I'll see if I can get you an appointment with Dr. Phill (make sure you buy his book first) . Maybe he can help you??? I doubt it.

kgpcr · 06-23-2005, 08:38 PM

If you are not smart enough to take it apart and put it back properly you should not be an amoror. as for a field strip and clean if you cant do that you are not smart enough to be a cop and carry a gun period.

ajamesp51 · 06-23-2005, 08:41 PM

Its kind of like the Lenny Mcgill dvd disassembly video when the Firing pin safety retainer pin (Hey I actually knew the name of the part and didnt even have to stumble and look at a script) well any way when the retainer pin would not slide in he take a hammer and pounds it in.....I cringed and wonder how long it took him to realize he did something stupid. The pin hes talking about is probably the loaded chamber indicator pin to keep it in place they kind of stake the end so if you put it in backwards it does kind of get stuck...but if your too stupid and feel resistance dont get a bigger hammer like lenny all of the pins and all of the parts fit snug and should go in with out too much trouble. Also the pistol will still function with the indicator compleately taken out this is not the type of disassembly thats done on the "street" anyway thats why full disassembly is for the Armorers who should be qualified and know that, the one pin should not be tight and require a big hammer to pound it in and get it stuck.

One-eye Davis was quoting some one else, david who is John and why should we listen to him. If hes a Genius armorer or something he may have something.

Captain Ray · 06-23-2005, 08:43 PM

I am no armorer.. but I have done complete disassembles on my pistol several times.

On my first detail cleaning I did have one problem.. I inserted the grip safety spring incorrectly.. so I am proof that indeed a part can be put in incorrectly and reassembled not functioning properly. I wouldn't think an armorer would make the same mistake. But it could happen.

And, for the life of me, I can't think of a single pin that could be inserted back wards that would need to be be drilled out if inserted improperly. Please elaborate on that point.

Raymond

Edited to add: Oh.. you must be talking about the "roll pin" on the top of the slide.. I think if you try to insert that from the underside you are in deep doo-doo.. but you would have to be kind of stupid to do it. However, you can buy a new roll pin at any True-Value or Ace Hardware.. That's the only thing I can think of.

06-23-2005, 06:16 PM	#1
davidk XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: RI Posts: 253	Interesting note from John Farnam about Xds 23 June 05 SA XD I attended part of the SA XD Armorer's Class yesterday. It is clear that SA is making a sincere effort to get the XD accepted by the police community as an legitimate, duty gun. As I've said in the past, XDs we're had in classes have all worked fine. However, real problems made themselves apparent during the class. Glocks, even at the armorer level, are nearly impossible to reassemble wrong. Glock parts are designed to fit together only one way. When they don't fit together, that is a hint that you are doing it incorrectly. SA engineers need to take note. A number of XD parts can be easily put in place backwards and/or upside down, with no clue that assembly is inappropriate. When assemble is complete, the pistol won't work. In fact, the is one blind hole, designed to receive a pin. If the pin inadvertently goes in backward, it cannot be removed and must be drilled out! If SA is serious about making inroads into the police market, they are going to have to make engineering changes in the XD that make the job of the armorer less tedious. The XD is a good gun, but it is not up to Glock standards yet. John __________________ http://armedresponsetips.blogspot.com/ http://www.armedresponsebook.com http://www.armedresponsetraining.com Only the dead know the end of war. If you are not part of the solution, you ARE the problem

06-23-2005, 06:53 PM	#2
one-eyed-fatman XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,157	Only a dork or a first time (semi auto) shooter could screw up a simple field strip on an XD. __________________ corporate America's logo: If at first you don't succeed lower your standards and beg the government for bailout money. Our governments bought and sold by corporate America like pigs going to market. I'm waking up at the start of the end of the world. http://home.houston.rr.com/gunpics/images/one%20eye.wav

06-23-2005, 08:09 PM	#5
davidk XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: RI Posts: 253	some people cant read...I guess it takes two eyes. Farnum is not talking about a field stripping but a complete dissasembly __________________ http://armedresponsetips.blogspot.com/ http://www.armedresponsebook.com http://www.armedresponsetraining.com Only the dead know the end of war. If you are not part of the solution, you ARE the problem

06-23-2005, 08:26 PM	#6
USMC-PRIDE XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 383	GLOCK GOOD...... XD BAD........Yeah we get it. Never a problem with glocks,always problems with XD. Did he call SA engineers or just expect them to read his article and make the fixes he mentions?? __________________ SEMPER FI No WMD\'s in Iraq? 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form Roadside bombs with mustard and conventional sarin gas

06-23-2005, 08:33 PM	#7
one-eyed-fatman XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,157	So your talking about an armorer who is to stupid to figure it out. I see. Your here gripping because you were not bright enough to pass the class? Or did you just read someone else's BS and come here to grip. I'll see if I can get you an appointment with Dr. Phill (make sure you buy his book first) . Maybe he can help you??? I doubt it. __________________ corporate America's logo: If at first you don't succeed lower your standards and beg the government for bailout money. Our governments bought and sold by corporate America like pigs going to market. I'm waking up at the start of the end of the world. http://home.houston.rr.com/gunpics/images/one%20eye.wav

06-23-2005, 08:38 PM	#8
kgpcr XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 267	If you are not smart enough to take it apart and put it back properly you should not be an amoror. as for a field strip and clean if you cant do that you are not smart enough to be a cop and carry a gun period.

06-23-2005, 08:41 PM	#9
ajamesp51 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, Al Posts: 5,027	Its kind of like the Lenny Mcgill dvd disassembly video when the Firing pin safety retainer pin (Hey I actually knew the name of the part and didnt even have to stumble and look at a script) well any way when the retainer pin would not slide in he take a hammer and pounds it in.....I cringed and wonder how long it took him to realize he did something stupid. The pin hes talking about is probably the loaded chamber indicator pin to keep it in place they kind of stake the end so if you put it in backwards it does kind of get stuck...but if your too stupid and feel resistance dont get a bigger hammer like lenny all of the pins and all of the parts fit snug and should go in with out too much trouble. Also the pistol will still function with the indicator compleately taken out this is not the type of disassembly thats done on the "street" anyway thats why full disassembly is for the Armorers who should be qualified and know that, the one pin should not be tight and require a big hammer to pound it in and get it stuck. One-eye Davis was quoting some one else, david who is John and why should we listen to him. If hes a Genius armorer or something he may have something. __________________ "God shall not have his word made manifest by cowards" RWE www.xd-hs2000.com

06-23-2005, 08:43 PM	#10
Captain Ray XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,693	I am no armorer.. but I have done complete disassembles on my pistol several times. On my first detail cleaning I did have one problem.. I inserted the grip safety spring incorrectly.. so I am proof that indeed a part can be put in incorrectly and reassembled not functioning properly. I wouldn't think an armorer would make the same mistake. But it could happen. And, for the life of me, I can't think of a single pin that could be inserted back wards that would need to be be drilled out if inserted improperly. Please elaborate on that point. Raymond Edited to add: Oh.. you must be talking about the "roll pin" on the top of the slide.. I think if you try to insert that from the underside you are in deep doo-doo.. but you would have to be kind of stupid to do it. However, you can buy a new roll pin at any True-Value or Ace Hardware.. That's the only thing I can think of. __________________ \"I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for that day.\" ~Abraham Lincoln~

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