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USMC-PRIDE · 06-23-2005, 11:23 PM

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Oh yea, you know if Glock had updated thier gun to have a better grip angle, a cocking indicator, a loaded chamber indicator, and a safety backstrap the glock sites would be full of threads that have titles like...

THE NEW GENERATION ROCKS!!!

THIS JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!!!

THIS IS THE WHOLE PACKAGE!!

Now that is hittng the nail on the head!!

Ajames---------Yours Go....Mine Go.......

Don · 06-24-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by davidk

some people cant read...I guess it takes two eyes.

Farnum is not talking about a field stripping but a complete dissasembly

Many members here have self reported that they are first time gun owners and follwed ajamesp51's info and did a complete strip and reassembly. Their guns worked. I guess they had two eyes, but I bet even one-eyed-fatman could do it with his one good eye.

jkswiss · 06-24-2005, 03:33 AM

Don't flame me for this but, if indeed the glock is simpler to do a complete break down than the XD, its probably a better bet for the cops. I myself have never completely broken down the XD, and have never even owned a Glock.

However, with the number of Armourers out there; like with any other profession, probably exists a fair amount of incompetent people.

IF the Glock is made so that you CAN'T put it back together wrong, then its a big plus for people who entrusts their lives to their guns. I'm not saying that XD's can't be trusted but if you can put an XD together wrong, have it function for a 100 rounds or so, and then fail on you, you have a problem.

I don't know if the statement that a Glock cannot be put back together wrong is true or not, and I don't know anything about this roller pin in the XD that has to be drilled out.

That being said, an XD with a loaded chamber indicator and especially a grip safety, is bound to be a little bit more complicated than a Glock whose trigger is also its safety(never did quite understand that concept).

I'm more than happy to have a gun that is a little bit more complicated for those features.

I just wanted to articulate the other guys point of view, and I can kind of understand where he's coming from. Remember, theres lotsa dumb people out there(Present company excluded) who can mess up the most basic of tasks(Myself on occasion).

Don't hate me too much for this post. I've been a loyal owner of 2 XD's for some time now. I probably never will buy a Glock just cuz it would seem like a betrayal to this forum for some odd reason.

Cuda · 06-24-2005, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Ray

I am no armorer.. but I have done complete disassembles on my pistol several times.

Anyone got a pic of a Glock stripped down to it's parts to compare to the above pic?

one-eyed-fatman · 06-24-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidk

some people cant read...I guess it takes two eyes.

Farnum is not talking about a field stripping but a complete dissasembly

Many members here have self reported that they are first time gun owners and followed ajamesp51's info and did a complete strip and reassembly. Their guns worked. I guess they had two eyes, but I bet even one-eyed-fatman could do it with his one good eye.

Thanks Don. I don't really feel a need to break down my XD as it works flawlessly. I don't fix what ain't broke. But I know some of you guys just gotta get in there and tinker around. Cleaning is always a good excuse. I know one thing for sure, if I do need to break it down sometime, if for some reason I have a problem putting it back together I'm not going to be so stupid as to come here and blame SA or the XD. Only the mentally challenged would do such a thing. If you need help with your XD (the smart ones) will come here to the XD forum and get expert advice on how to fix it.

dolanp · 06-24-2005, 07:55 AM

Well there isn't much the "SA Engineers" are going to do since they don't even produce the gun.

pistol fixer · 06-24-2005, 08:35 AM

Hello every one:
I'll bet that he is talking about the fireing pin safty block retaining pin.
it has a groove in it so you can pull it. if you drive it in back wards you will kick your self.

the problem i have with his comments are that the reason you attend an armourers course is to learn the tricks, and to learn what mistakes others have made. an armourers course will not make you an instant gunsmith, and it can not force you to pay attention to detail. shame on any armourer that will return a weapon to service with out test fireing it.
the XD is a very well designed weapon. having been to several different armourers school over the years, i can tell you with out a dout that this is not something new. all weapons have things that will BITE you if you don't do everything correctly.

back when we were using wheel guns, a small department was using our range to qualify,when there range master ask me to take a look at there capt's . S&W mod. 66. you could not pull the trigger or cock the hammer.
when i got the gun apart i found the cylinder stop had been filed, and it would not release. I ask the capt. who had been working on his gun, he informed me that a local gunsmith had done an action job on it 6 months
ago. the capt. had not tryed to shoot it since. he had been carring it on duty every night for 6 months. i offered to repair it at no charge. he became loud and stated that only his friend/local gunsmith was good enough to fix it.

so to me this proves that some so called gunsmiths, and some officers don't have a clue what they are doing.

sorry to ramble on. just my .02

everyong stay safe, keep your podwer dry and try not to shoot your self
with your weapons or your words.

Rick

**Ed Ely** · 06-24-2005, 08:48 AM

Well, I guess that I agree.

The HS/XD is a POS and Glock
rules. That being the case, I know that the Croates are going
to completely redesign the XD to be in complete conformity
with the Glock design and making it foolproof on total
take apart/re-put together, thus dispatching the need for an
armourer at all.

Since that is going to happen, and your present machines are
potentially obsolete, I will offer $1 each on a buy back of all
HS/XD machines. I will pay shipping costs.

Please call me at BR-541, if busy please go to menu 3 and
listen to the first 9 options for the next step. I am anticipating
up to an hour wait, so please be patient.

Here's your chance to get top dollar for your machine and then
go buy one of the $550.00 Glocks while they are hot.

Ed

USMC-PRIDE · 06-24-2005, 11:44 AM

Ed- Are you sure they are worth the dollar even??Glocks are so far superior that I don't know if the XD has any value at all, even a dollar.

Just remember.....GLOCK GOOD........XD BAD...VERY BAD!!

sjp2452 · 06-24-2005, 01:40 PM

I consider it good information and a valuable opinion. At the very least it may shed a little bit of light on one of the possible reasons that the XD hasn't received widespread adoption by LE agencies.

It doesn't worry me, and I don't feel threatened by the opinion. Nor should anyone here.

06-24-2005, 08:35 AM	#27
pistol fixer XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: millington,tn Posts: 137	Hello every one: I'll bet that he is talking about the fireing pin safty block retaining pin. it has a groove in it so you can pull it. if you drive it in back wards you will kick your self. the problem i have with his comments are that the reason you attend an armourers course is to learn the tricks, and to learn what mistakes others have made. an armourers course will not make you an instant gunsmith, and it can not force you to pay attention to detail. shame on any armourer that will return a weapon to service with out test fireing it. the XD is a very well designed weapon. having been to several different armourers school over the years, i can tell you with out a dout that this is not something new. all weapons have things that will BITE you if you don't do everything correctly. back when we were using wheel guns, a small department was using our range to qualify,when there range master ask me to take a look at there capt's . S&W mod. 66. you could not pull the trigger or cock the hammer. when i got the gun apart i found the cylinder stop had been filed, and it would not release. I ask the capt. who had been working on his gun, he informed me that a local gunsmith had done an action job on it 6 months ago. the capt. had not tryed to shoot it since. he had been carring it on duty every night for 6 months. i offered to repair it at no charge. he became loud and stated that only his friend/local gunsmith was good enough to fix it. so to me this proves that some so called gunsmiths, and some officers don't have a clue what they are doing. sorry to ramble on. just my .02 everyong stay safe, keep your podwer dry and try not to shoot your self with your weapons or your words. Rick __________________ xd357sig springfield p9 lsp. 40 cal hk mp5kpdw m-16 mini uzi styer ssg p2 ect.

06-24-2005, 08:48 AM	#28
Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,950 Blog Entries: 1	Well, I guess that I agree. The HS/XD is a POS and Glock rules. That being the case, I know that the Croates are going to completely redesign the XD to be in complete conformity with the Glock design and making it foolproof on total take apart/re-put together, thus dispatching the need for an armourer at all. Since that is going to happen, and your present machines are potentially obsolete, I will offer $1 each on a buy back of all HS/XD machines. I will pay shipping costs. Please call me at BR-541, if busy please go to menu 3 and listen to the first 9 options for the next step. I am anticipating up to an hour wait, so please be patient. Here's your chance to get top dollar for your machine and then go buy one of the $550.00 Glocks while they are hot. Ed __________________ I have a favorite new clock ....... http://obamaclock.org/ Countdown until Obama leaves Office 1476 Days, 13 Hours, 34 Minutes, 03 Seconds.

06-24-2005, 11:44 AM	#29
USMC-PRIDE XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 395	Ed- Are you sure they are worth the dollar even??Glocks are so far superior that I don't know if the XD has any value at all, even a dollar. Just remember.....GLOCK GOOD........XD BAD...VERY BAD!! __________________ SEMPER FI No WMD\'s in Iraq? 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form Roadside bombs with mustard and conventional sarin gas

06-24-2005, 01:40 PM	#30
sjp2452 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Land 'o Lakes, MN Posts: 1,014	I consider it good information and a valuable opinion. At the very least it may shed a little bit of light on one of the possible reasons that the XD hasn't received widespread adoption by LE agencies. It doesn't worry me, and I don't feel threatened by the opinion. Nor should anyone here. __________________ ********************************* "Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out?"

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06-24-2005, 03:33 AM	#23
jkswiss XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,085	Don't flame me for this but, if indeed the glock is simpler to do a complete break down than the XD, its probably a better bet for the cops. I myself have never completely broken down the XD, and have never even owned a Glock. However, with the number of Armourers out there; like with any other profession, probably exists a fair amount of incompetent people. IF the Glock is made so that you CAN'T put it back together wrong, then its a big plus for people who entrusts their lives to their guns. I'm not saying that XD's can't be trusted but if you can put an XD together wrong, have it function for a 100 rounds or so, and then fail on you, you have a problem. I don't know if the statement that a Glock cannot be put back together wrong is true or not, and I don't know anything about this roller pin in the XD that has to be drilled out. That being said, an XD with a loaded chamber indicator and especially a grip safety, is bound to be a little bit more complicated than a Glock whose trigger is also its safety(never did quite understand that concept). I'm more than happy to have a gun that is a little bit more complicated for those features. I just wanted to articulate the other guys point of view, and I can kind of understand where he's coming from. Remember, theres lotsa dumb people out there(Present company excluded) who can mess up the most basic of tasks(Myself on occasion). Don't hate me too much for this post. I've been a loyal owner of 2 XD's for some time now. I probably never will buy a Glock just cuz it would seem like a betrayal to this forum for some odd reason.

06-24-2005, 07:55 AM	#26
dolanp XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: N TX Posts: 784	Well there isn't much the "SA Engineers" are going to do since they don't even produce the gun.