Single Stack XD

[HBear]

I think a single stack XD would be good too. I agree with the above post as far as going for a thinner grip.

HBear

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by JiffyGriff

I'd love to see an XD in single stack; same size as my service just single stack and thinner. I love my XD and it fits my hands well but I would feel more confident with a thinner gun. A 1911 is a great gun but if you want a polymer 1911 it ends up being a double stack and once again I love my XD and would prefer the same gun in a single stack. I would feel more confident with the single stack; I feel it would be a faster gun for me. I would be fine with 8 - 10 rounds as I hardly ever load my gun to the full 17.....if I didn't get it done with the first 1 - 3 rounds I might as well stand up nice and tall so they can shoot me. If you're not military or police the 17 rounds is overkill. On another note I'm sure the California shooters would like a single stack for the thinner feel where the thicker double stack isn't doing them any good with a 10 round limit...

Oh yeah, to all dilrods....if you have a problem with the topic; don't read it; other people are allowed to have different opinions.

What if your 1-3 rounds aren't good enough to take on multiple attackers? I guess you only put partial pressure in your tires, not the recommended amount or you only use part of the spare tire...or you never use brand new fresh batteries in your smoke detectors. Maybe you only use 4 quarts of oil in your engine instead of 6-8 since you should be able to get it done with the first 4.

17 rounds is not overkill, it's called being prepared and using what you can to capacity.

[WmBSmithII]

I would love to see a single stack XD because in stupid california there is no point in having a double stack gun cause they just make the mags function like a single stack.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by WmBSmithII

I would love to see a single stack XD because in stupid california there is no point in having a double stack gun cause they just make the mags function like a single stack.

But you won't get 10 rounds in a single stack...

[JiffyGriff]

What if your 1-3 rounds aren't good enough to take on multiple attackers? I guess you only put partial pressure in your tires, not the recommended amount or you only use part of the spare tire...or you never use brand new fresh batteries in your smoke detectors. Maybe you only use 4 quarts of oil in your engine instead of 6-8 since you should be able to get it done with the first 4.

I only said it was overkill if you were not military or police......How often are you attacked by a group of mercinaries while you're minding your own business in your quiet suburban or rural home.... What russian mafia boss did you get the skinny on? Aside from that if you're dealing with a group of people. You can be sure they're not going to attack you in your home where you're prepared; they're going to attack you when your not expecting it and they're going to do it when they're right next to you and you don't have time to react.

But like I also said in my previous post; that's my opinion and you're entitled to yours.......don't insinuate that I'm a f*cking idiot and don't use the correct amount of oil or tire pressure..... Try to remember that a fair amount of tactical groups still use single stack designs...don't underestimate the quick reload capabilities of a magazine fed firearm..

[JiffyGriff]

But you won't get 10 rounds in a single stack...

Maybe not in .45 but in 9mm or .40 S&W it's a very doable.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by JiffyGriff

I only said it was overkill if you were not military or police......How often are you attacked by a group of mercinaries while you're minding your own business in your quiet suburban or rural home.... What russian mafia boss did you get the skinny on? Aside from that if you're dealing with a group of people. You can be sure they're not going to attack you in your home where you're prepared; they're going to attack you when your not expecting it and they're going to do it when they're right next to you and you don't have time to react.

But like I also said in my previous post; that's my opinion and you're entitled to yours.......don't insinuate that I'm a f*cking idiot and don't use the correct amount of oil or tire pressure..... Try to remember that a fair amount of tactical groups still use single stack designs...don't underestimate the quick reload capabilities of a magazine fed firearm..

So, when did you become the expert here? How many home invasions happen everyday? Or are you ignoring those? I'm asking because I don't want you to feel like the self-proclaimed "f*cking idiot." Mercenaries? Mafia Boss? Are you serious? I'm not military and I'm not LEO, which is exactly why I'd want as much as I can carry or at least a full magazine. I don't have backup. I don't have other people on my side willing to help me out. I guess if I'm going to be attacked and not even have time to react, I just should just never leave my house, since, according to you, it's a safe haven because I'm prepared. Or, God help me if I do have to leave, and I'm attacked, I'll just lay down and die since I stand no chance whatsoever. Why even carry a gun at all if you're not going to carry a full magazine in that gun?

You make some nice assumptions that I live in a rural suburban home. You make nice assumptions that a $10,000/day crack and cocaine ring weren't just busted up in this area in the last couple months that involved illegal gun trafficking from NYC/Baltimore/DC/North and South Carolina. You make nice assumptions that there aren't small time drug dealers living on the same block as I do.

You make great assumptions that you nor I will ever be the target of a random act of violence. You make assumptions that I don't have to go into a city for work that has the highest level of crime in the nation for a city its size and being a well dressed professional and white doesn't make me stick out in a lot of areas I have to go or pass through.

Originally Posted by JiffyGriff

But like I also said in my previous post; that's my opinion and you're entitled to yours.......don't insinuate that I'm a f*cking idiot and don't use the correct amount of oil or tire pressure.....

Sorry, didn't think your screen name meant you work at JiffyLube. I never said you actually do those things. I was equating your argument of carrying a firearm with a magazine that isn't filled to capacity is the same as not filling your tires with appropriate pressure or your engine with appropriate oil. Maybe it's the same as going hiking with overnight camping involved and not bringing as much food and water as you should.

Originally Posted by JiffyGriff

Try to remember that a fair amount of tactical groups still use single stack designs...don't underestimate the quick reload capabilities of a magazine fed firearm..

So, you said you don't need more than 1-3 rounds, but you'll carry and be fine with 8-10...ok, that's fine, but if you're going to try to lecture me about the speed of reloading a magazine fed weapon, why would you carry an extra magazine or two or whatever if you're not even going to fill the first one or use more than 1-3 (or 8-10) rounds? If carrying 17 rounds in one magazine is overkill, carrying extra magazines is the equivalent of carrying a nuke, or just plain stupid if you meant you'll spread the 8-10 you'd be fine with carrying out in several mags.

Try to remember that a lot of people still carry 1911s and other single stack guns and a lot of those civilians who carry those types do carry spare mags.

Which is it? 17 rounds is too many or it's ok to reload with spare mags? Make up your mind.

Originally Posted by JiffyGriff

Maybe not in .45 but in 9mm or .40 S&W it's a very doable.

Maybe it is, but who cares, you only need 1-3 rounds before you're giving up and waving the white flag, right? So if that's the case, why would you even carry 8-10 rounds that you said you'd be fine with?



You absolutely are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it is. You're also free and entitled to contradict yourself as you did here. That's fine. We all love freedom, so have at it. I see you post about two posts per month...do you always save them up to make ridiculous comments and flawed arguments?

[jtkratzer]

I never said it's not a good idea. I simply said I wouldn't buy one as the difference in size, how small that difference is, isn't worth it to me to cut my capacity by nearly half. If SA can make a single stack that's thin enough to make it worth my while, I'd compare it side by side to what I carry now and then make a decision. As it stands, Kahr makes some of the thinnest and smallest firearms in calibers from 9mm - .45 acp and the PM45 isn't small enough to make me drop more money on it than I did my XD. I'm interested in seeing how small the PM380 is going to be and whether or not it will work as a pocket gun.

[JiffyGriff]

You wanna talk contradiction.......

I'm just saying after comparing the smallest single stack polymer framed .45 acp I could get my hands on to my XD45c, I see no advantage to spending the money on it and giving up the 10+1 capacity.

single stack in any caliber, slim down the frame, slide, and grip and you have a winner. make a competitor to the Kahr models. I would buy an XD that had a single stack that's sole purpose was for deep concealability or summer carry.

Sounds to me like something I said just peaved you somehow.....

Which is it? 17 rounds is too many or it's ok to reload with spare mags? Make up your mind.

As a concealed carry gun I'm fine with 5 rounds.......In a target or home defense gun I'd like a full size frame; I'd just prefer a single stack if I had the option; which equates to 8-10 rounds. And yes; I'd probably have spare mags at home....I'f I'm carrying concealed...no I don't carry spare mags....

Maybe it is, but who cares, you only need 1-3 rounds before you're giving up and waving the white flag, right?

Wrong; I said what I said because if I miss after the first 1-3 rounds....chances are I'm gonna get picked off before I get the next 14 off because I just gave them time to get the job done. Of course the situation I was thinking of was a close encounter in the room of a home or somewhere that there wasn't cover to dive behind. I didn't say I'd jump up and down and scream "here shoot me I missed."

I see you post about two posts per month...do you always save them up to make ridiculous comments and flawed arguments?

And yes you're right I do only post about two posts per month because I work a lot of hours and when I'm not working; chances are 80% of the time I'm reading and getting better at what I do. That way I don't have to explain to someone's wife why their 31 year old husband whom I did CPR on for 55 minutes didn't survive when all they had done was a cholecystectomy; like I did last night. Point is; I have another life.

I didn't come here to argue I presented my opinion that I'd like a single stack XD because I would feel more comfortable, in control, and confident with the slimmer 1911 style frame in a gun I already have great deal of confidence in.

If you don't like my opinion then attack me some more; but frankly I'm done. Let some other people post what they would or wouldn't like about a single stack XD; I believe that was the original intent of this topic.

[htown9]

i have held the Walther PPS and it has a great trigger, it is very thin, but i like grip safteys, or any safety for that matter and it does not have one, waiting to see what the PX4 sub compact is like. The PPS also has a The SW M&P compact feels great in the hand as well, thinner than the XD sub compact, no safeties either.