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mandohack · 11-04-2007, 12:44 PM

I don't remember reading about it here, so I though I'd check out the functionality of the grip safety on the XD. By check it out, I thought I do a check on how and when it works. I did all of this with an unloaded gun during dry-fire practice.

I feel like posting a WARNING sign with this. If the trigger is pulled without the grip safety pressed in (engaged), the gun won't fire. However, if the trigger is pulled, say by a shirt during reholster, then, after the trigger is back, the grip safety is engaged the gun fires. Again, with the gun cocked and the trigger pulled (it feels mushy) the gun will fire when the grip safety is pushed in.

This sort of surprised me. It wasn't unexpected, but I was hopeful that it was possible to design this so that it could only act *before* the trigger was pulled.

Of course, the safeties are only as safe as the person operating the gun. This doesn't preclude good, safe, routines. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard.

Bree · 11-04-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mandohack

I don't remember reading about it here, so I though I'd check out the functionality of the grip safety on the XD. By check it out, I thought I do a check on how and when it works. I did all of this with an unloaded gun during dry-fire practice.

I feel like posting a WARNING sign with this. If the trigger is pulled without the grip safety pressed in (engaged), the gun won't fire. However, if the trigger is pulled, say by a shirt during reholster, then, after the trigger is back, the grip safety is engaged the gun fires. Again, with the gun cocked and the trigger pulled (it feels mushy) the gun will fire when the grip safety is pushed in.

This sort of surprised me. It wasn't unexpected, but I was hopeful that it was possible to design this so that it could only act *before* the trigger was pulled.

Of course, the safeties are only as safe as the person operating the gun. This doesn't preclude good, safe, routines. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard.

Let's see if I understand what you are saying. If I pull the trigger all the way in without the grip safety disengaged and then release the trigger and then say run around for an hour not touching the gun but then push in the grip safety disengaging it without pulling the trigger again, the gun will fire??

CharlieHo · 11-04-2007, 02:58 PM

No that's not what he meant.

He meant if you pull the trigger without the grip safety disengaged, nothing will happen. But. if you hold the trigger down, THEN disengage the grip safety (while still squeezing the trigger) then it will fire

Breadfan · 11-04-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieHo

No that's not what he meant.

He meant if you pull the trigger without the grip safety disengaged, nothing will happen. But. if you hold the trigger down, THEN disengage the grip safety (while still squeezing the trigger) then it will fire

Of course it will fire, but who in his/her right mind would holster a gun with the finger on the trigger or keep it squeezed with a grip safety disengaged and then engage it?!

Bree · 11-04-2007, 05:58 PM

OK I have no problem with that sequence. I would have a problem if pulling the trigger without the grip safety set up a future firing by only depressing the grip safety.

03RangerXLT · 11-04-2007, 06:23 PM

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Again, with the gun cocked and the trigger pulled (it feels mushy) the gun will fire when the grip safety is pushed in.

Umm, this shouldn't suprise you. It is, after all, the function of the grip safetly to keep the gun from firing until it has been depressed.

ichy_trigger · 11-04-2007, 06:27 PM

Safeties are just that, remember your brain is the most important safety though.

Tdah · 11-04-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

Safeties are just that, remember your brain is the most important safety though.

which is why many people are in a constant state of extreme danger.

Philadelphia · 11-04-2007, 07:12 PM

The reason I am OK with and like the way the grip safety works as you describe, is if in a stressful situation I press the trigger intending to fire but don't have a fully proper grip on the gun (like my grip is a little low so I need a really good squeeze on the grip to press the grip safety), when I really squeeze the thing, even if it was the trigger that got pressed before the grip safety, it will fire. (of course I would never attempt to fire my weapon without a 100% proper grip on it

but when the SHTF . . . I want it to fire when I squeeze it expecting it to fire (even if I screwed up the grip a little

).

It would totally suck to have the "passive" safety be the thing that stopped it from firing when I intended to.

It is important to understand how it works though. Yeah, if the trigger gets pressed and held by your shirt wedged in the holster and you then press the grip safety, say in the process of drawing, the gun will fire. Knowing that though, we can all develop and implement appropriate and safe procedures for holstering and double checking.

dashotgun · 11-05-2007, 09:45 AM

okay here is a situation where it is bad. you holster and there is some thing in the holster that pushes the trigger back there is no fire because you did not depress the grip safety. The trigger is still depressed and you go to unholster being careful to not engage the trigger but you do depess the grip saftey youget a ND and everyone willsay that you pulled the trigger but you did not the net effect is still a ND

11-04-2007, 12:44 PM	#1
mandohack XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 73	Experimentations in Safety I don't remember reading about it here, so I though I'd check out the functionality of the grip safety on the XD. By check it out, I thought I do a check on how and when it works. I did all of this with an unloaded gun during dry-fire practice. I feel like posting a WARNING sign with this. If the trigger is pulled without the grip safety pressed in (engaged), the gun won't fire. However, if the trigger is pulled, say by a shirt during reholster, then, after the trigger is back, the grip safety is engaged the gun fires. Again, with the gun cocked and the trigger pulled (it feels mushy) the gun will fire when the grip safety is pushed in. This sort of surprised me. It wasn't unexpected, but I was hopeful that it was possible to design this so that it could only act before the trigger was pulled. Of course, the safeties are only as safe as the person operating the gun. This doesn't preclude good, safe, routines. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard.

11-04-2007, 02:58 PM	#3
CharlieHo XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairmont, WV Posts: 514	No that's not what he meant. He meant if you pull the trigger without the grip safety disengaged, nothing will happen. But. if you hold the trigger down, THEN disengage the grip safety (while still squeezing the trigger) then it will fire __________________ "The philosophy of gun control: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90 MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20." - Sam Cohen, inventor of the Neutron Bomb

11-04-2007, 05:58 PM	#5
Bree XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 2,954 Blog Entries: 5	OK I have no problem with that sequence. I would have a problem if pulling the trigger without the grip safety set up a future firing by only depressing the grip safety. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! I support McCain-Palin with CASH!

11-04-2007, 06:27 PM	#7
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,414	Safeties are just that, remember your brain is the most important safety though. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

11-04-2007, 07:12 PM	#9
Philadelphia XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 473	The reason I am OK with and like the way the grip safety works as you describe, is if in a stressful situation I press the trigger intending to fire but don't have a fully proper grip on the gun (like my grip is a little low so I need a really good squeeze on the grip to press the grip safety), when I really squeeze the thing, even if it was the trigger that got pressed before the grip safety, it will fire. (of course I would never attempt to fire my weapon without a 100% proper grip on it but when the SHTF . . . I want it to fire when I squeeze it expecting it to fire (even if I screwed up the grip a little ). It would totally suck to have the "passive" safety be the thing that stopped it from firing when I intended to. It is important to understand how it works though. Yeah, if the trigger gets pressed and held by your shirt wedged in the holster and you then press the grip safety, say in the process of drawing, the gun will fire. Knowing that though, we can all develop and implement appropriate and safe procedures for holstering and double checking. __________________ "Those who answer the call to serve may never be fully understood by those who never hear that call. Whether warfighter, citizen soldier or police officer, should appreciation not manifest itself take heart that the mission is always one of service, and by serving faithfully, courageously and often at great sacrifice, the privilege of service is its own highest reward. You have received the highest honor having been entrusted with the privilege of serving; there can be no greater reward." Last edited by Philadelphia : 11-04-2007 at 07:17 PM.

11-05-2007, 09:45 AM	#10
dashotgun XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 154	okay here is a situation where it is bad. you holster and there is some thing in the holster that pushes the trigger back there is no fire because you did not depress the grip safety. The trigger is still depressed and you go to unholster being careful to not engage the trigger but you do depess the grip saftey youget a ND and everyone willsay that you pulled the trigger but you did not the net effect is still a ND __________________ no point in listing my guns I have a few...

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